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Posted on 7/22/21 at 3:21 pm to Indefatigable
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He already did receive 270 certified electoral votes. The election was over on the day the certified EV’s were verified and counted by Congress. There are no take backs, and there will not be a “re-do”. Nothing any state says, does, or decertifies will have any impact on that result.
Biden is, in fact, POTUS. POTUS can only be removed through death, impeachment process, retirement, end of term, or the 25th amendment.
That’s not what people want to hear, but that is how it is. Biden (or Kamala, or someone else in the line of succession) will serve out this term. The election will not be “overturned” resulting in a Trump victory. The only way Donald Trump can become POTUS again is winning the 2024 election.
So the left threw a hissy fit when states started making election laws recently requiring ID, right? They claimed it would cause voter disenchantment (I believe that was the term). We are talking about a small minority of people this would effect. But the left is in an uproar about it.
Now imagine all of the swing states complete an audit and it is proven that Trump actually won. No one could deny it anymore, proven. Everyone sees it. So you are saying nothing would happen? Biden* stays in office and finishes his term? All the while the majority of people in this country, who voted for Trump, just have to live with it, grin and bear it. Surely the left would step in to stop the voter disenchantment this would cause, right?
If it is proven, something will have to be done. Or I predict you're going to have mobs of pissed off people that will make what BLM and antifa did look like child's play. Note, I'm not promoting such a thing, just saying I can't imagine people just sitting back and being OK with it.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 3:24 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
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If it is proven, something will have to be done
If it is proven, truly and verifiably proven in a way that's widely accepted, Biden and Harris will resign or be impeached and removed. That is the remedy at this point. No matter what though--it does not result in Trump becoming POTUS again (unless he is elected Speaker of the House at the midterms and is thus third in line if impeachment/removal of POTUS and VPOTUS occur)
What needs to happen now is that the Inauguration date needs to be returned to mid-March so that there is time to handle shite like this between election day and when the POTUS-elect takes office. The short window that currently exists is what caused the states to hurry and certify fishy results to begin with. There is simply no time to conduct real investigations or audit the results as things stand now.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 3:28 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:17 pm to Cajun Tiger 4
I have zero faith that anything is going to change. There is too much corruption everywhere to think that something can change.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:21 pm to Indefatigable
This decertification idea would be interesting as a backdoor state check of presidential power.
California and New York don’t like what a Democratic president is proposing two years after they were elected? Threaten to decertify and have him removed form office.
Florida and Texas don’t like what a GOP President proposes? We’ll decertify whenever we want and you’ll be below the EV threshold.
You can certainly see how coalitions of states and their legislatures could get together and exert influence over the federal executive branch.
Of course that’s ridiculous and has no basis in the constitution, but that won’t stop Vox and company from parroting this decertification nonsense anyway
California and New York don’t like what a Democratic president is proposing two years after they were elected? Threaten to decertify and have him removed form office.
Florida and Texas don’t like what a GOP President proposes? We’ll decertify whenever we want and you’ll be below the EV threshold.
You can certainly see how coalitions of states and their legislatures could get together and exert influence over the federal executive branch.
Of course that’s ridiculous and has no basis in the constitution, but that won’t stop Vox and company from parroting this decertification nonsense anyway
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:22 pm to boosiebadazz
Elections are states responsibility
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:25 pm to momentoftruth87
Certainly, but elections are a concrete, finite thing that have an end to them. That end is certification.
If not, you have a constant hostage situation. Can we decertify elections from 10 years prior? 20 years prior? Ex post facto nullification of executive orders and the president signing bills into law?
It’s a ridiculous Pandora’s box that has no constitutional basis.
If not, you have a constant hostage situation. Can we decertify elections from 10 years prior? 20 years prior? Ex post facto nullification of executive orders and the president signing bills into law?
It’s a ridiculous Pandora’s box that has no constitutional basis.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:26 pm to League Champs
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What shite is this? If election fraud is proven, Biden is not the President. The election was NEVER certified. He doesn't just get to commit a crime, get caught, and then not be punished. That's not how the legal system works. Otherwise, lots of folks are about to get shot.
Therefore, the Supreme Court will require the Congress to follow the Constitution for an election that doesn't past Constitutional muster. Jefferson became president by those same rules. Biden cannot be declared the winner, if he cannot prove 270 EV.
Maybe thats how it works in your little pea brain, but reality is far different lmfao
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:26 pm to boosiebadazz
Boozie that is just a stupid analogy. There must be a legit reason to decertify and not liking a policy would not be justification. Proof of election fraud would definitly be justification.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:26 pm to Wildcat1996
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Hail Hail to Meat Chicken
I was thinking about "Hail Hail Melt Again"...
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:28 pm to Warboo
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There must be a legit reason to decertify and not liking a policy would not be justification. Proof of election fraud would definitly be justification.
Who gets to decide what a legit reason is?
Do you have any clue how completely and legitimately impossible it would be to undo or nullify everything signed or done by POTUS since the last election?
It simply is not workable.
Besides, as boosie said—decertification isn’t a real thing. The election is over. There is nothing to decertify.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:32 pm to boosiebadazz
Right. Let's say whoever cooked up the Russia collusion BS was able to trick Papa or somebody like that into looking/acting like a Russian asset. Trump supporters would have been outraged (understandably so) if that was used to decertify the election. Impeachment is the only way, I suppose.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:32 pm to boosiebadazz
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If not, you have a constant hostage situation. Can we decertify elections from 10 years prior? 20 years prior? Ex post facto nullification of executive orders and the president signing bills into law?
First, this is different from a current and present threat we face with a sham administration who CLEARLY does not have the nation's best interest in mind with a mentally deficient puppet at the helm.
Simply put, cheating and fraud should absolutely not be rewarded. Furthermore, the Dems had no Constitutional basis for the Russian Hoax attempt to nullify an election as well as their feeble impeachment maneuvers, yet that certainly didn't stop them from trying that non-sense. I would argue this fraud being exposed clearly has more of a Constitutional foundation ad merit to move forward with than those shams...
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:36 pm to Indefatigable
The only thing that could justify decertification would be election fraud. Well its amazing how much shite Potato head has screwed up in 6 months. I would hope the Legitimate Pres. could reverse much of it in the same time frame or less. Especially if it is found that the house and senate are actually supposed to be controlled by the repubs.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:36 pm to Indefatigable
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Biden already won, and was already awarded 270 by Congress.
Anyone who is wishing for or expecting the election to be undone are begging for disappointment. It is not going to happen.
Time to start the impeachment.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:41 pm to Warboo
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There must be a legit reason to decertify and not liking a policy would not be justification.
Give me your legal or constitution basis for this.
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:41 pm to Texdelmag
Just REMEMBER FOX called Arizona for Biden with Trump "LEADING".
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:42 pm to Warboo
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The only thing that could justify decertification would be election fraud. Well its amazing how much shite Potato head has screwed up in 6 months. I would hope the Legitimate Pres. could reverse much of it in the same time frame or less. Especially if it is found that the house and senate are actually supposed to be controlled by the repubs.
You’d be wrong. How exactly can things like appropriations be undone? What about the withdrawal from Afghanistan or really anything else at all? Do the stimulus checks get rescinded? The list of things that cannot be undone is effectively infinite.
You can’t just nullify some stuff and leave everything else. If you’re wanting to “undo” and nullify the Biden presidency and the current Congress, that means that the entire federal government has been performing unauthorized and unconstitutional actions for 7 months. All of it would have to go in order for such a decision to make a lick of sense.
It’s not possible, and it’s not workable to create a framework for it to be possible.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:43 pm to Cajun Tiger 4
as much as i want this, sadly nothing will happen
Posted on 7/22/21 at 4:43 pm to boosiebadazz
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Florida and Texas don’t like what a GOP President proposes? We’ll decertify whenever we want and you’ll be below the EV threshold.
I see what you are saying here but we are talking about Joe not winning Arizona, not because someone doesn't like him.
I find it odd the shite some of you say to basically make your point that, I don't care there was fraud.
This post was edited on 7/22/21 at 4:45 pm
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