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re: AZ Senate Passes 'Right to Discriminate' Bill
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:06 pm to NHTIGER
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:06 pm to NHTIGER
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Dems will mutter "well, shite ..." under their collective breath. They want nothing more than for this bill to become another distraction from the real issues in an important election year.
Wait...what? I thought the Dems were working hard on helping the poor become middle class and strengthening the economy?
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:07 pm to asurob1
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The government should not be arranging shop-owners the right to deny service based on color, sex, or who you are having sex with under the guise of religious freedom.
Um, private business can discriminate against whoever they want. Ever saw that sign "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone". Sorry if that offends you. It's called freedom to operate a business the way he/she sees fit. If you really have a problem with it, then the market will dictate it's success.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:08 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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It is a matter of law and equality. You cannot discriminate in the matter of public access. You cannot say you do not serve blacks or Polish. However, it is your right not to carry any products that certain groups would want (Stupid business). it is Hobby store's right not to sell Chanukah stuff. it s Chik Fil A's right to mandate all franchisees close on Sunday just as it is B and H electronics right to close Saturday.
When I am hiring nurse, I cannot say that I do not hire Phillpino or African nurses or for that matter male nurses.
Right. So you're saying a baker has to sell a cake to a gay person however the baker is not required to sell the gay person a gay cake because he doesn't carry an inventory of gay cakes?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:08 pm to asurob1
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If you don't understand just how big of an issue this can become quickly. Then I don't know what I can do to help you.
I'm trying to see this from your point of view, but I'm just not getting it. Can you explain to me how it gets out of hand?
I'm not being facetious, I'm trying to be open-minded.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:08 pm to NC_Tigah
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Why the hate of affirmative action?
I despise affirmative action and that is well documented on this board.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:09 pm to hawkeye007
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you really made the jump to Uganda and thier constitution. so what your telling me is you are in favor of the death sentence for homosexuality?
Hey buddy...my niece is gay, born that way. So was my Aunt; but she married and raised a family because this community was like Iran, back then...there were no homosexuals here. Both are/were fine folk, and anybody that tried to execute them by Law...would have to kill me too.
I am saying that prudent government stays out of the bedroom, I.e., Religion...in this case. Because once Government does step over the Religion line...it can cut either way...if the majority thinks so.
My fear is this...if/when this Nation gets whacked - by civil unrest, EMP or terrorist attack - they will do just what they did on the relatively unhurtful 9-11......head to church. Big time. And if the pain is severe and prolonged, the scapegoat and witchhunts will start, to remove the moral 'offenders' and turn the country back to god. That is historical, predictable and documented human nature, when traumatized people faced with death, rise up.
The precedent we should set in order to avert such, is one of the recognition and deference to the Constitution, as in Original Intent. Government stays OUT OF RELIGION (religious concepts/ideas); makes no laws therein. Leave the folk alone. So the Gays get their feelings hurt. Beats the hell out of the real thing. Let the Good Lord sort it out in the next life, if there is one.
A handful of high-minded and arrogant individuals with the power of Government behind them is a dangerous scenario.
Oh well. We are only going to argue to impasse. I've got to squeeze my naval oranges for the freezer.
Good luck.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:09 pm to NC_Tigah
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So you're a Muslim hater.
Fine, it is what it is I guess.
We both know I'm equal opportunity on my dislike of religions.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:11 pm to asurob1
quote:That may be why the post was in response to hawkeye007, not you.
I despise affirmative action and that is well documented on this board.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:11 pm to kingbob
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I'm trying to see this from your point of view, but I'm just not getting it. Can you explain to me how it gets out of hand?
I'm not being facetious, I'm trying to be open-minded.
Once again, this bill as written, gives any business owner the right to refuse service to anyone based on anything they decide.
If I don't like gingers...great...it's against my religion to seat you in my restaurant.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:11 pm to asurob1
quote:And you still haven't addressed my question.
The government should not be arranging shop-owners the right to deny service based on color, sex, or who you are having sex with under the guise of religious freedom.
The current system involves government force for one side. You believe that this proposed system involves government force for the other side.
Where is the middle ground, where the government is involved? There has to be a situation where there is no governmental force for either side. That is the system I'd like you to describe for me.
This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 1:13 pm
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:11 pm to asurob1
Don't be offended, asurob is an equal opportunity hater of all faiths, religions, and creeds. 
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:13 pm to asurob1
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Once again, this bill as written, gives any business owner the right to refuse service to anyone based on anything they decide.
Can you quote the pertinent part of the bill supporting your claim, please?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:16 pm to asurob1
quote:Link to a religion that states said hatred for Gingers?
If I don't like gingers...great...it's against my religion to seat you in my restaurant.
Now you on the other hand, your hatred is easily documnented in this very site.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:18 pm to Scruffy
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Where is the middle ground, where the government is involved?
As I said in the other thread.
The status quo is fine where it's at.
You want to be a racist frick in your business.
Then you get to take your chances in the courts if the party you are being a racist with decides to sue you.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:18 pm to kingbob
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Don't be offended, asurob is an equal opportunity hater of all faiths, religions, and creeds.
I am partial to Thor.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:18 pm to GumboPot
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Are not country clubs discriminatory businesses? I mean they discriminate against the poor with their high initiation fees. Why I want to play golf at Augusta too.
if i remember correctly, the exceptions to public accommodation in these kinds of laws include private clubs and churches.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:19 pm to Jbird
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Link to a religion that states said hatred for Gingers?
Now you on the other hand, your hatred is easily documnented in this very site.
They use to kill them back in the day for their supposed association with the devil.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:19 pm to GumboPot
Shouldnt businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone they see fit, and suffer any consequences as a result?
Instead of whining and bitching why don't these drama queens support businesses that support their cause?
Instead of whining and bitching why don't these drama queens support businesses that support their cause?
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:20 pm to asurob1
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If I don't like gingers...great...it's against my religion to seat you in my restaurant.
Cool.
If I'm a ginger, I have a lot of other options as to where I spend my money. And you may be poorer for it, but you'll have your principles.
Sounds like win-win to me.
Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:21 pm to asurob1
So this is what the gay mafia is up in arms about? From the bill:
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"Exercise of religion" means the PRACTICE OR OBSERVANCE OF RELIGION, INCLUDING THE ability to act or refusal to act in a manner substantially motivated by a religious belief, whether or not the exercise is compulsory or central to a larger system of religious belief.
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