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re: Average yearly pension for a retired NYC fireman is $171k/year.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 4:12 pm to GeauxBurrow312
Posted on 8/15/25 at 4:12 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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Its nit picking the highest earning segment of firefighters, in the most expensive city in america. Would $171k be reasonable in Cleveland? Jacksonville? Mobile? Absolutely not
Getting all huffed up over first responders is called how to lose an election and make everyone think your an a-hole. These guys arent the DMV workers getting paid to do menial tasks
It's not simply about the pension of a NYC fireman, the city is $100 billion in debt with another $300 billion of unfunded liabilities and the city is paying out billions in public worker pensions. NYC is nearly a mirror image of what the frick is wrong in DC and the way our politicians put our asses in crushing debt.
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Posted on 8/15/25 at 4:14 pm to Mushroom1968
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According to ChatGPT the 5 year pay is $85k-110k depending on rank and overtime at fdny.
I got my figure from NYFD website.
I'm not sure why we're trying so hard to believe that NY firefighters are making less than teachers. It really doesn't change the discussion IMO.
The argument is about public work compensation having morphed into something more lucrative than Taxpayer Joe is willing to pay.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 4:16 pm to David_DJS
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I got my figure from NYFD website
Gotcha, chat was using Glassdoor
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I'm not sure why we're trying so hard to believe that NY firefighters are making less than teachers
I haven’t personally said anything about teachers or paid any attention to the discussion about teachers
Posted on 8/15/25 at 4:18 pm to Mushroom1968
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I haven’t personally said anything about teachers or paid any attention to the discussion about teachers
It's in the thread and used as rationalization for outsized pensions.
ETA - not suggesting you've posted it.
This post was edited on 8/15/25 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 8/15/25 at 4:19 pm to David_DJS
Oh I know, I’ve just ignored the posts about teachers as I don’t know anything about teacher retirement and that’s not what this thread is about.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 4:20 pm to 4cubbies
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But you subsidize NYC firemen?
No, but they are symbolic of a problem that is ubiquitous throughout our society, and I subsidize some of them.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 4:36 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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Its nit picking the highest earning segment of firefighters, in the most expensive city in america. Would $171k be reasonable in Cleveland? Jacksonville? Mobile? Absolutely not
What is the typical OTHER New Yorker getting in terms of retirement/wages?
THAT is my point. It always ends up, no matter where you look in the world, where the government takes care of it's own AT THE EXPENSE of everyone else.
And, I'm not talking about just firefighters.
Look. It's far from a big issue in terms of my voting, but, the reality is, the government is ALWAYS a leech.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 4:41 pm to 4cubbies
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Remember who the first responders were after 9/11?
My local fire station lost almost the entire staff because I lived about 12 block above the WTC which means they were among the first there.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 4:48 pm to Bass Tiger
The public sector needs to be held accountable just as the private sector. There shouldnt be any unfunded pensions. Unfunded pensions should be illegal.
Everyone should have to balance the books. You shouldn’t be able to kick the can down the road for future generations to have to pay for.
Social security should be scrutinized in the similarly. It already is to an extent with life expectancy and contributions on the calculations. But all the disability and crazy checks need to funded independently from just social security retirement income.
Everyone should have to balance the books. You shouldn’t be able to kick the can down the road for future generations to have to pay for.
Social security should be scrutinized in the similarly. It already is to an extent with life expectancy and contributions on the calculations. But all the disability and crazy checks need to funded independently from just social security retirement income.
This post was edited on 8/15/25 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 8/15/25 at 5:02 pm to Bass Tiger
I was in the Suck from 82-88 and no… Grunts pilots flight crew crispy critters maybe.
Support fricks nope.
Support fricks nope.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 5:08 pm to Grumpy Nemesis
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Its nit picking the highest earning segment of firefighters, in the most expensive city in america. Would $171k be reasonable in Cleveland? Jacksonville? Mobile? Absolutely not
What is the typical OTHER New Yorker getting in terms of retirement/wages?
THAT is my point. It always ends up, no matter where you look in the world, where the government takes care of it's own AT THE EXPENSE of everyone else.
And, I'm not talking about just firefighters.
Look. It's far from a big issue in terms of my voting, but, the reality is, the government is ALWAYS a leech.
In a nugget....this^^^^^ is it.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 5:14 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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GeauxBurrow312
just shut up dude. You should not be making a salary of 70k or 80k throughout a career, and have a pension of $200K. Ever. Most people only get a portion of what they were earning. This is absolutely insane and probably driven by dems, like cubby
Posted on 8/15/25 at 5:19 pm to 4cubbies
Let’s don’t talk about the railroad pensions…
Ya’ll fussing about peanuts on the floor or the HUD officer pensions for folks who are only required to show in the office twice a month…
Ya’ll fussing about peanuts on the floor or the HUD officer pensions for folks who are only required to show in the office twice a month…
Posted on 8/15/25 at 5:23 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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work half the year,
your first lie
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make 6 figures
your second lie
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and get the cushy pension.
your third lie
You clearly have no clue about teachers....unless you are talking about Alaska or Hawaii, or some other outrageous cost area.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 5:42 pm to GeauxBurrow312
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The bigger issue is how teachers do an objectively shitty job, work half the year, make 6 figures during their working career, and get the cushy pension
I didn’t work in a district with a pension or more than 6 weeks for summer break but I did get a concussion when a kid head butted me at work, had chairs thrown at me, was cussed at, etc. If teachers have it so easy and get such great perks, why aren’t you a teacher?
Teachers make very little money relative to the education and expertise required to become a teacher. And you’re complaining that some get a $20k pension.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 5:43 pm to Mandtgr47
You have no clue what you are talking about if you think the salary these guys make is “good money”
$60k entry, $100k mid and $150k as your career benchmarks is low middle class in NYC. That’s pay check to paycheck living, and they don’t get SS - the pension needs to fully cover their retirement. They also won’t ever be able to pay a down payment, so they have no home equity
In NOLA, 25 years of service pays a fire fighter about $72k a year pension. Which is reasonable, the COL is a lot lower.
How do you plan on hiring people to sign up to be cops and firemen if you want to pay them like generic unskilled labor? No one is going to spend 20 years living in a dinky house they rent with no savings to jump in buildings on fire
$60k entry, $100k mid and $150k as your career benchmarks is low middle class in NYC. That’s pay check to paycheck living, and they don’t get SS - the pension needs to fully cover their retirement. They also won’t ever be able to pay a down payment, so they have no home equity
In NOLA, 25 years of service pays a fire fighter about $72k a year pension. Which is reasonable, the COL is a lot lower.
How do you plan on hiring people to sign up to be cops and firemen if you want to pay them like generic unskilled labor? No one is going to spend 20 years living in a dinky house they rent with no savings to jump in buildings on fire
Posted on 8/15/25 at 5:47 pm to GeauxBurrow312
Obviously with the current budget problems, many cites and towns can’t afford it. They have to pay less or make cuts elsewhere.
The private sector has to make those decisions every day.
The private sector has to make those decisions every day.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 5:50 pm to 4cubbies
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Teachers make very little money relative to the education and expertise required to become a teacher.
Some of the dimmest people I grew up with went on to teaching.
Good teachers are rare and underpaid.
Shitty teachers are way too common and overpaid.
That's unfortunate for the good ones because they're in a profession where morons can find steady employment, and the unions make it difficult to pay based on output.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 5:53 pm to 4cubbies
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but I did get a concussion when a kid head butted me at work, had chairs thrown at me
Dang, that’s pretty bad. I’ve heard horror stories regarding teachers and being attacked.
Posted on 8/15/25 at 5:58 pm to Bass Tiger
The mistake you're making is separating the pension from the total compensation package.
The questions should be, what is the total expenditure for NYC for fire protection including salaries, pensions and other expenses? Are they getting good value for the total amount?
The fact is that the pension is part of the lure of the job, as the salary is often below market. If you cut the pension, you'd have to pay more up front.
Not to mention that pensions are usually funded in part by employee contributions. The whole pension amount is not paid by taxes.
The questions should be, what is the total expenditure for NYC for fire protection including salaries, pensions and other expenses? Are they getting good value for the total amount?
The fact is that the pension is part of the lure of the job, as the salary is often below market. If you cut the pension, you'd have to pay more up front.
Not to mention that pensions are usually funded in part by employee contributions. The whole pension amount is not paid by taxes.
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