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re: At least some at the Daily Wire are starting to ask the right questions.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 6:15 am to GumboPot
Posted on 12/11/24 at 6:15 am to GumboPot
I have to chuckle at these antisemitic threads.
We have given more money to nazi ukraine in the past couple of years than we ever gave to Israel.....hmmm nazis, antisemitic threads, kinda fits.
Trump's biggest donor......a Jew.
Elon Musk and his buying of Twitter, when he announced it, he wrote a check his arse couldnt cash, someone else came up with the hard cash to secure the loan and the deal, Larry Ellison.....a jew.
Any of you know the origin of Ellison's name? His uncle, his adoptive father was an immigrant. He wanted to Americanize his name, so he changed it to one that would remind him of the country who took him in and the first place he stepped foot on it....Ellis Island.
We friikin funded and prodded Iran and funded all their proxies to cause all this death in the middle east. We tried to "fix" the elections and kick Bibi out, and when that didnt work, we are no doubt behind the lawfare nonsense he is facing now.
And some of you pompous arses want to talk about what Israel has done to the US????? That is fcking rich, real rich.
We have given more money to nazi ukraine in the past couple of years than we ever gave to Israel.....hmmm nazis, antisemitic threads, kinda fits.
Trump's biggest donor......a Jew.
Elon Musk and his buying of Twitter, when he announced it, he wrote a check his arse couldnt cash, someone else came up with the hard cash to secure the loan and the deal, Larry Ellison.....a jew.
Any of you know the origin of Ellison's name? His uncle, his adoptive father was an immigrant. He wanted to Americanize his name, so he changed it to one that would remind him of the country who took him in and the first place he stepped foot on it....Ellis Island.
We friikin funded and prodded Iran and funded all their proxies to cause all this death in the middle east. We tried to "fix" the elections and kick Bibi out, and when that didnt work, we are no doubt behind the lawfare nonsense he is facing now.
And some of you pompous arses want to talk about what Israel has done to the US????? That is fcking rich, real rich.
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 6:20 am to Penrod
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Jesus said to him: He is punished with boiling excrement. As the Master said: Anyone who mocks the words of the Sages will be sentenced to boiling excrement. Jesus sounds like a radical Muslim in that clip.
Notice how there is no biblical reference given?
Posted on 12/11/24 at 6:32 am to ManBearSharkReb
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news but Jesus is pretty much considered Santa Claus to Jews
Doesn't matter what the Jews believe. What matters is how God sees things and He's clear on this issue.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 6:32 am to trinidadtiger
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I have to chuckle at these antisemitic threads.
Asking how an alliance with Israel benefits America is antisemitic?
Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?
No one in this thread has said a single thing negative about Jews or the nation of Israel.
It’s a simple question and yet the moment it’s asked you provide no examples of the benefits and immediately claim antisemitism.
Strange.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 6:42 am to 6R12
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It's not about the Jews, but it is getting on the wrong side of what the Bible said. If you're gonna side against the Jewish nation, you sign the dotted line that fulfills Biblical prophecy against your nation. I'm not interested in siding with the rest of the world against the Jewish nation, even if they don't like us or appreciate what we do. It's about us and our dealings. I get upset how we take up for them and they still despise us but I'd rather be on the right side of this equation. Those who don't consider the what the Bible said about turning your back on Israel will NEVER understand or agree. It's just a Biblical based stance. Younger people who don't have a deep rooted Christian grounding won't agree. It's similar to the abortion issue. I know many won't agree with this.
Evangelical bullshite 101.
Scofield would be so proud. Now go read about who Scofield was.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 6:52 am to tide06
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Maybe someone can sit me down and explain how an alliance with Israel benefits the United States in 2024.
Just off the top of my head: They are the number one target of Iranian money and militant allies.
Israel, Iran’s “Little Satan” bleeds so that we Americans, their “Great Satan” doesn’t have to.
Now the developments in Syria have not improved things for Syrians. One evil has been replaced with another.
But things have improved for Lebanon with the overland supply route of Hezbollah from Iran being severed. This makes civilians in southern Lebanon northern Israel safer.
Also with the Russian air and naval bases closed, Putin will find supplying and arming groups in Africa much more difficult. This is a positive development for African civilians and the world.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:10 am to tide06
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Maybe someone can sit me down and explain how an alliance with Israel benefits the United States in 2024.
Well for one Israel is the U.S's only ally in the middle east region. This is important for intelligence purposes.
Unless you're in support of genocide on an entire race of people then you remain an ally and supporter of Israel. If you don't understand why this is important then I suggest you read the history of the germany 1930's - 1940's
Believe it or not having Israel in the region most definitely makes the middle east a more stable region though it will never be an utopia of peace.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:11 am to tigerfam2000
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I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed. Genesis 12:2-3
GOD said this to Abraham not to the State of Israel.
You know Abraham who the Arabs and northern African (Ethiopians/Sudanese etc) are descended from as well as the Jewish people?
Now provide me with ANOTHER verse in the New Testament in which Christ or any of the Apostles say the same.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:28 am to DiamondDog
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I don't know but I ain't getting on the wrong side of Jesus.
We have been very led astray into believing that the Jews living in Israel right now are God's chosen people. They are not, Christians are God's chosen people.
Jesus said to "judge a tree by its fruits"
Endless war, lies, irresponsible spending, political strife and namely Christians in the ME constantly suffering is BAD FRUIT.
The Israelis are the descendants of those that rejected Jesus. They have VILE things written about Jesus in their religious texts. Im not saying we should support their obliteration but right now we let them drive all our foreign policy because they have this strange firewall alliance of extremely wealthy and powerful with control over our politicians AND US Christians who have been deceived into thinking defending their causes somehow is defending Christianity.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:36 am to scottydoesntknow
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We have been very led astray into believing that the Jews living in Israel right now are God's chosen people. They are not, Christians are God's chosen people.
Jesus said to "judge a tree by its fruits"
Endless war, lies, irresponsible spending, political strife and namely Christians in the ME constantly suffering is BAD FRUIT.
The Israelis are the descendants of those that rejected Jesus. They have VILE things written about Jesus in their religious texts. Im not saying we should support their obliteration but right now we let them drive all our foreign policy because they have this strange firewall alliance of extremely wealthy and powerful with control over our politicians AND US Christians who have been deceived into thinking defending their causes somehow is defending Christianity.
Agree 100% with all of this. Biblical Israel, specifically old testament Israel, is not the same as modern day post 1950 Israel.
Modern day Israel is full of those who hate and reject Jesus... why would God bless them and care about them and curse anyone who opposes them? I've talked to so many Israel loving evangelicals who believe John 14:6 doesn't apply to Israel or Jews and actually believe Israeli Jews automatically get salvation even if they don't believe Jesus because they are God's chosen people.... WTF? In that case what was the point of Jesus dying on the cross?
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:48 am to goldennugget
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Agree 100% with all of this. Biblical Israel, specifically old testament Israel, is not the same as modern day post 1950 Israel.
This is a VERY important distinction:
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9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but do lie — behold, I will make them to come and worship at thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
But in terms of Bibi’s current relationship with America he is very important because he drives our foreign policy. I get the sense that more than Greater Israel the Likud Party in Israel drives chaos in the region as a method of survival. If they are fighting each other they are not fighting us.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 7:52 am to goldennugget
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Modern day Israel is full of those who hate and reject Jesus... why would God bless them and care about them and curse anyone who opposes them? I've talked to so many Israel loving evangelicals who believe John 14:6 doesn't apply to Israel or Jews and actually believe Israeli Jews automatically get salvation even if they don't believe Jesus because they are God's chosen people.... WTF? In that case what was the point of Jesus dying on the cross?
Satan is a great deceiver
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:32 am to Gaspergou202
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They are the number one target of Iranian money and militant allies.
I’m not against partnering in tactical ways for tangible goals.
US-Iranian policy has been so erratic and illogical as to defy explanation. Kerry and Obama conspiring to give the Iranians the money they used to fund the attacks on Israel and elsewhere probably needs to be investigated as it makes no sense relative to bettering American interests.
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Israel, Iran’s “Little Satan” bleeds so that we Americans, their “Great Satan” doesn’t have to.
Highly questionable logically. If we aren’t boots on the ground over there no Americans are bleeding period. If Iran or anyone else sponsors a terrorist attack on US forces or domestic targets it should just be considered an act of war and the leaders who approved it wiped off the map.
By having a permanent alliance every time Israel bulldozes a settlement we by proxy are doing so as well and that greatly inflames anti US sentiment in the region without any tangible benefit to us whatsoever.
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Now the developments in Syria have not improved things for Syrians. One evil has been replaced with another.
The US state dept wanted a pipeline through Syria and Russia out. They got it.
In trade we just allowed AQ to take over a nation and an entire population of Christians will be wiped out, which given the views of some at State might be seen as a net plus, but to me it’s an absolute humanitarian disaster worse than anything we’ve seen in the Middle East in some time and all that blood is on Obama/Bidens hands not that they care.
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Also with the Russian air and naval bases closed, Putin will find supplying and arming groups in Africa much more difficult. This is a positive development for African civilians and the world.
I’m far more concerned with the role of China in Africa as Russia with their current capabilities can’t really project power outside their regional sphere.
China is colonizing that continent and is already actively blocking transfer of rare earth metals to the US. If they do so with the resources in Africa we will be extremely limited as to our capacity to produce critical materials until we get our domestic mining efforts to full production.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:39 am to Snipe
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Unless you're in support of genocide on an entire race of people then you remain an ally and supporter of Israel.
So anyone not in favor of a full permanent alliance with Israel is in support of genocide?
Good gracious, the strawmen are everywhere today.
In no way do you have to want a full alliance to have the belief that Israel deserves to exist and defend itself.
When it benefits both nations to work together we should, when it doesn’t we shouldn’t take responsibility for their actions at the cost of our perception in the region and globally.
Im simply suggesting we don’t need to airlift money by the billions or give away military aid. If they want it they should buy it like everyone else who we are limited partners with does. That’s how bilateral international trade and relations are supposed to work.
When one party gives and the other just takes that’s not an alliance that’s a parasitic relationship that outside of limited short term circumstances shouldn’t exist.
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Believe it or not having Israel in the region most definitely makes the middle east a more stable region though it will never be an utopia of peace.
I support fully the idea that Israel should exist and live in peace but I would love to hear an explanation of how their presence in a wildly Islamic part of the world with questionable borders makes the region more stable.
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 8:40 am
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:50 am to tide06
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I support fully the idea that Israel should exist and live in peace but I would love to hear an explanation of how their presence in a wildly Islamic part of the world with questionable borders makes the region more stable.
If the muslims didn't have Israel to focus their ire at they would most certainly be at full scale war with each other and no one would care if they killed each other. Millions would be slaughtered in a humanitarian disaster and since the a sizable portion of the world's petroleum is supplies from that region it would be disrupt global supply at the best.
Israel is more than capable of defending itself for a time and even more capable of destroying most if not all hostile nation in the region. That keep full scale war to a minimum in the region.
The fact remain that Israel has at the very least a partial claim to land in this region and the notion that removing them from that very land would bring about peace to the region or safety to the Israel people is at best misguided and ignorant.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:00 am to 6R12
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Those who don't consider the what the Bible said about turning your back on Israel will NEVER understand or agree. It's just a Biblical based stance
Those scriptures that you revere were largely manipulated and manufactured by Levitical priests. The Bible is a book of good and evil. There is deep spiritual truth in the red letters of Jesus’ teachings but much of the Old and New Testament has been manipulated and fabricated by the “chosen people”. There are no chosen people. Just human beings on a spiritual journey.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:01 am to DiamondDog
He who denies the Son does not have the Father
What does the Talmud say about Jesus?
What does the Talmud say about Jesus?
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:04 am to GumboPot
It started with the Scofield Bible which was used to train pastors through the Dallas Theological Seminary
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:06 am to wackatimesthree
Ever heard of the dancing Israelis?
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:10 am to ABearsFanNMS
Does Mossad create honeytraps to blackmail and control our cultural and political leaders in order to influence our population to think and behave in ways that have lead to a precipitous decline over the last several decades?
Ever heard of Jeff Epstein?
Ever heard of Jeff Epstein?
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