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Posted on 4/19/26 at 7:58 am to METAL
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Intercession.
I pray for people all the time. I ask people to pray for me. That’s the point.
Why wouldn't you go straight to the one that actually died for you? The curtain has been torn. You can go straight to him now.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 7:58 am to HagaDaga
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but differences
There's waaaaay more fasting/ abstinence in Orthodoxy
Posted on 4/19/26 at 7:59 am to crotiger0307
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Divinity is bestowed upon no man, be weary of any “Catholic” who makes an argument otherwise.
Not even Jesus?
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:00 am to Timeoday
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Peter is not the rock!!
"I will give to you [meaning Peter] the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. Whatsoever you bind on earth will be bound in Heaven and whatsoever you loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven."
Protestants get so caught up on the Greek of the first few verses (Petra vs. petros) that they ignore what Christ says to Peter after changing his name from Simon to Peter. Jesus gives to Peter the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (a sign of royal stewardship = a priestly office) and also gives Peter the ability to bind and loose doctrine on earth and in heaven. While the other Apostles are given that authority by Christ a couple of chapters later, Peter is given it first and is the only one of the Twelve who receives the Keys.
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Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:01 am to METAL
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Christ is still the head… Catholics agree with that wholeheartedly. The question is whether He chose to build His Church with visible leadership under Him, and the New Testament points to this many times.
Let’s go one further. Jesus is also your only priest. When He tore the curtain between God and man at the entrance to the Holy of Holies, He then became our ONLY PRIEST and intercessor between God and man. There is no need for man to enter His presence on our behalf. Jesus took over that role as well. You have a direct connection established between you and God, and His name is Jesus.
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Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:02 am to METAL
quote:Do you pray to Mary?
ntercession.
I pray for people all the time. I ask people to pray for me. That’s the point.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:02 am to Canon951
I get what you’re saying, but you’re mixing a couple things that Catholics actually agree with. Probably partially my fault due to my word selection and explanation… Yes, only Jesus saves. Catholics don’t disagree with that at all. The Church doesn’t replace Christ, it’s the means He set up to bring people to Him. So it’s not “religion vs Jesus.” It’s whether Jesus actually established a Church to teach, baptize, and guide.
Where I think you’re off is assuming Catholics believe “join this institution or you’re automatically damned.” That’s not what the Church teaches. It’s more like this: if someone knowingly rejects what they understand to be true, that’s a serious issue, but if someone hasn’t been fully convinced, or was formed differently, God judges that justly. We’re not the ones deciding that though.
At the same time, Jesus didn’t just say “believe and figure the rest out however you want.” He founded a Church, gave it authority, and told the apostles to teach all nations. So truth still matters, not just sincerity.
Yes, it is 100% about Jesus alone saving. The real question is whether He left us with just a book and individual interpretation, or an actual Church to preserve and teach what He handed on. That’s where the disagreement really is.
“Bind and loose…”
Where I think you’re off is assuming Catholics believe “join this institution or you’re automatically damned.” That’s not what the Church teaches. It’s more like this: if someone knowingly rejects what they understand to be true, that’s a serious issue, but if someone hasn’t been fully convinced, or was formed differently, God judges that justly. We’re not the ones deciding that though.
At the same time, Jesus didn’t just say “believe and figure the rest out however you want.” He founded a Church, gave it authority, and told the apostles to teach all nations. So truth still matters, not just sincerity.
Yes, it is 100% about Jesus alone saving. The real question is whether He left us with just a book and individual interpretation, or an actual Church to preserve and teach what He handed on. That’s where the disagreement really is.
“Bind and loose…”
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:08 am to RollTide1987
Yep, the Greek Septuagint contained over 12,000 manuscripts. Why was the book of Enoch left out?
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:11 am to crotiger0307
And I'm haunted by the thought that lurking in the shadows in the Vatican are the Lavender Mafia and pro-democrat clerics. Hummm? So maybe the election of the American Robert Cardinal Francis Prevost to the Chair of Peter might not be the work of the Holy Spirit after all?
So maybe what we see developing here? The Vatican scheming with the democrats to defeat Donald J. Trump candidates this November and in 2028.
Our pal Barook Obama's advisor David Alelrod just finished a private papal audience with Pope Leo. What was that all about?
The question is - Is there evidence the democrat party is conducting democrat political activity in Catholic parishes and on church property? The answer is: Absolutely
So while democrat activist talk "Separation of Church and State" they're secretly scheming with Church officials (i.e. Catholic Charities) to defeat the nationalist Donald Trump.
Don't look at what they say.........look at what they do.
President Trump is right about.........everything.
*[update]*
While the Catholic Church considers abortion a grave sin, it has not officially announced that it is not a focus of its social doctrine. However, Pope Francis has emphasized a "seamless garment" approach, arguing that the defense of life includes issues like poverty, war, and migration, sometimes leading to tension with bishops who prioritize abortion as the "preeminent" issue.
Subtle tweaking of Catholic Social Doctrine towards a more moral relativist approach has grave implications. FACT - abortion is the No.1 evil practiced in the world today. The Nazis gassed Jewish children and babies and the mafia democrats abort babies.
Abortion kills babies.......and destroy nations.
Thou Shalt Not Kill - God
There, I said it.
So maybe what we see developing here? The Vatican scheming with the democrats to defeat Donald J. Trump candidates this November and in 2028.
Our pal Barook Obama's advisor David Alelrod just finished a private papal audience with Pope Leo. What was that all about?
The question is - Is there evidence the democrat party is conducting democrat political activity in Catholic parishes and on church property? The answer is: Absolutely
So while democrat activist talk "Separation of Church and State" they're secretly scheming with Church officials (i.e. Catholic Charities) to defeat the nationalist Donald Trump.
Don't look at what they say.........look at what they do.
President Trump is right about.........everything.
*[update]*
While the Catholic Church considers abortion a grave sin, it has not officially announced that it is not a focus of its social doctrine. However, Pope Francis has emphasized a "seamless garment" approach, arguing that the defense of life includes issues like poverty, war, and migration, sometimes leading to tension with bishops who prioritize abortion as the "preeminent" issue.
Subtle tweaking of Catholic Social Doctrine towards a more moral relativist approach has grave implications. FACT - abortion is the No.1 evil practiced in the world today. The Nazis gassed Jewish children and babies and the mafia democrats abort babies.
Abortion kills babies.......and destroy nations.
Thou Shalt Not Kill - God
There, I said it.
This post was edited on 4/19/26 at 11:39 am
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:12 am to Mike da Tigah
Yes, Jesus is our only High Priest and mediator. Catholics completely agree, but that doesn’t mean He doesn’t still work through people. Right after that, you see Jesus give the apostles authority to forgive sins, Paul says he has a ministry of reconciliation, and James tells people to go to the elders and confess. So even with Jesus as the one mediator, He still uses people.
Same thing with prayer… If “only mediator” meant no one else can intercede at all, then asking anyone to pray for you would be wrong. But Scripture tells us to pray for each other all the time. The veil being torn means we have access to God through Jesus, not that He got rid of all roles in His Church.
Same thing with prayer… If “only mediator” meant no one else can intercede at all, then asking anyone to pray for you would be wrong. But Scripture tells us to pray for each other all the time. The veil being torn means we have access to God through Jesus, not that He got rid of all roles in His Church.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:21 am to Canon951
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Why wouldn't you go straight to the one that actually died for you?
Did it occur to you that Jesus wants us to pray for one another? Did it occur to you that Jesus wants to have helpers to do things like that?
Did Jesus feed the hungry crowd by himself? Did Jesus spread the Gospel by himself? Did Jesus turn the water into wine because it was His idea first, or did He do it because his Mother asked Him to?
Go straight to the one who died for us. Yes, of course. But, he has many helpers, too, and Jesus likes to get his helpers involved.
That's how I see it. But you are free to believe otherwise.
Catholic Answers has the info you're looking for.
LINK
This post was edited on 4/19/26 at 8:23 am
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:22 am to crotiger0307
As an atheist, I view the past few popes as criminals that purposely hid major pedophiles from justice.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:29 am to SludgeFactory
Christ’s Church is constantly under attack from Satan and demons. It’s on us to root it out and continue what Christ established.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:41 am to crotiger0307
The pope runs the cover.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:51 am to METAL
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Christ’s Church is constantly under attack from Satan and demons. It’s on us to root it out and continue what Christ established.
What’s truly under attack today is the Gospel that saves mankind. We need to defend that rather than a denominational affiliation, but sadly both Catholic and Protestant denomination alike are infected with a man centered do better live better gospel rather than a Christ centered gospel, and that’s why you constantly hear about what you have to do rather than what Christ has already accomplished for you.
“Gospel” literally means Good News, and man trying to earn favor with God by his efforts is not good news. It’s actually very bad news because we know how inconsistent, unreliable, and unfaithful we actually are IRL. And because God’s requirement is absolute perfection, man is distraught and has no real hope . It’s not do better be better, but rather believe on Him who is, and accept what He has done already on your behalf. The folly of all mankind and religion regardless of faith is man trying to please an angry god rather than believing upon the one and true God that loved mankind so much that He gave His only son to be crucified so that if you will simply trust Him alone with your salvation He gives it to you right then and there. Discipleship, relationship and the like are what we do now that we have trusted Jesus alone, but if salvation is in anything other than Jesus it is man’s folly.
Religion wants you on the hamster wheel, but Jesus opened the hamster cage long ago. You don’t have to stay on the wheel. It’s not your job.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 8:53 am to METAL
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Simply making a case for what we hold to be true. As are many others in here from different denominations
What denomination claims to have a monopoly on Christ?
The ONE TRUE church.
If you're not aware the ONE implies no other, the TRUE implies any other to be false.
If they lied to you about his Holiness you can still find salvation by faith, not faith in an organization of men that will always be corrupt, but faith in the king of kings.
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But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 9:13 am to Mike da Tigah
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What’s truly under attack today is the Gospel that saves mankind.
This is the truth. The gospel is the only thing that saves. Throughout history Satan has introduced all sorts of godly seeming things to the gospel to try to lead people astray into trusting these things other than Jesus. No one denomination is under attack, but the truth that saves.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 9:16 am to Champagne
Champagne how are you justified before God? Serious question for you as I've seen you post on here quite often vehemently defending the catholic church. So how are you, Champagne, going to be allowed into heaven when you die?
Metal you can answer as well or any of the other catholic apologists. I'd truly like to get a straight answer to weed through all of this other stuff.
Metal you can answer as well or any of the other catholic apologists. I'd truly like to get a straight answer to weed through all of this other stuff.
Posted on 4/19/26 at 9:25 am to Mike da Tigah
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Catholic and Protestant denomination alike are infected with a man centered do better live better gospel rather than a Christ centered gospel, and that’s why you constantly hear about what you have to do rather than what Christ has already accomplished for you.
Amen.
Cast that mountain into the sea.
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