re: Are you a nationalist?

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just because people in the past bastardized the term "nationalist" doesn't mean that the term can only be used today by those standards

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The bastardization comes when there is no distinction made about what type of nationalism you are discussing. For example, if I were to discuss the revolutions in 1848, I would be remiss not to discuss the origins of those revolutions in the context of Rousseauian Romantic nationalism, where the organization of the state should be not by explicit shared ethnicity, but by participation in a Romantic ideal of culture. That is markedly different from the Greek nationalism (and indeed ethnogenesis from broad Roman notions of Greekness to specifically Greek notions) in the lead up to the Greek War of Independence, as this nationalism was specifically ethnic in orientation.

Again, the differentiation between the terms is not just ideal pedantry, but important because the context of what patriotism in America means, in a normative sense, is almost strictly aligned with notions of American civic nationalism, and not one that is based specifically on ethnic characteristics. The former is broad, while the latter is exclusionary.

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This thread is the best evidence that people don't understand the history of the term "nationalism,"

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Indeed

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closer to what people mean by patriotic than when they invoke the nationalist label, which again has historical associations with overt exclusionary movements, many of which were explicitly genocidal in character

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Case in point. The fact that various nations might be governed by "genocidal" regimes has nothing at all to do with loyal nationalists of nations opposed to such behavior.

Again, nationalism references loyalty to a nation.
Your beef is not with a nationalist per se.
It is with the fact that not all nations are equally good players.
Even then, a nationalist does not necessarily accept unsavory qualities associated with his nation.

E.g., You seem to presuppose a Nazi German nationalist would envelop all that Nazism might entail. Yet Rommel was a nationalist. He was a far cry from Goebbels.

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Case in point. The fact that various nations might be governed by "genocidal" regimes has nothing at all to do with loyal nationalists of nations opposed to such behavior.

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But this makes no sense in the context I'm discussing. Turkish nationalists at the fin de siecle resented any non-Muslim, non-Turkish influence in the Ottoman Empire. There was no Turkish nation at that point.

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Again, nationalism references loyalty to a nation.

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Again, it depends on what nationalism you are discussing. Ethnic nationalism that was predominant after Westphalia often had no nations, but imperial systems they were resisting. Do you understand why ethnic cleansing occurred hand in hand with ethnic nationalists?

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E.g., You seem to presuppose a Nazi German nationalist would envelop all that Nazism might entail. Yet Rommel was a nationalist. He was a far cry from Goebbels.

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You understand Lebensraum and volkisch were ideas that predated the Nazis, right?

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It's the part after the comma that can be problematic

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Nothing you have said is correct. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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When the term "nationalist" or "white nationalist" is thrown around today, what percentage of the people using those terms are doing so in the context you're discussing?

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Just so we are clear here, the context I'm discussing is development of nationalism in the pre-WW eras, in case you are reading this last post without referencing the others I've made.

I have no clue what percentage of people understand the historical context.

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"Nationalist" really has no negative connotations for most people as a stand-alone word. The left as a whole does not like putting this nation first, they resent people who put this nation first, so they've attempted to turn it into a negative in and of itself. That's what they do.

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Again, this is not why Europeans are weary of the term, even on the European right. I've already addressed why America doesn't have the negative association.

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I'm just saying that pop culture and the media has made the term negative because they wanted to use it as a cudgel, not because they share your interest in European history.

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This

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"White Nationalist" is nothing more than a nationalist who happens to be Caucasian.

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No. That's incorrect.

A nationalist who happens to be white is not the same as a white nationalist. The latter is an ethnocentric bigot by definition. The former not necessarily so.

I like my country the most

Oh the horror!

I love the made up, relative whataboutisms that y’all on the left employ abt everything.

Everything is a spectrum, mannnnnnn


Just stfu and admit you’re not America first and people that are hurt your little feelings