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re: Are you a nationalist?

Posted on 2/26/20 at 2:22 pm to
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 2/26/20 at 2:22 pm to
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In the Serbian case, it was the Serbian nationalists who undermined the pan-Slavic Yugoslav nationalists by insisting on a Serb-oriented centralization rather than the federal version desired by other Yugoslav groups, which poisoned the union from the beginning, and set the stage for numerous atrocities committed by lots of groups in WWI and WWII.


True - and bizarrely parallels the Soviet Union which Tito defiantly opposed. Stalin was not Russian at all, not even a Slav - he was 100% ethnically Georgian. But, he placed Great Russians in positions of power everywhere in the Soviet Union, going so far as to colonize places that had little to no Russian or Slavic population (the Baltics, Central Asia, the Caucuses, etc.).

Tito was a "Southern Slav", but not Serbian at all. He was half Croat, half Slovene. But, he put Serbs in charge of most everything in Yugoslavia.

What they had in common was that they were COMMUNISTS first.

So, they were Communist Nationalists, like Bernie?
This post was edited on 2/26/20 at 2:23 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 2/26/20 at 2:34 pm to
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But, he placed Great Russians in positions of power everywhere in the Soviet Union, going so far as to colonize places that had little to no Russian or Slavic population (the Baltics, Central Asia, the Caucuses, etc.).



Which was straight up crazy because of Stalin's general reaction to issues of nationalism in the post-war period. He was extremely unhappy with how welcoming Soviet Jews were to Golda Meir's visit, compounded by the fact that Meir asked for emigration for Soviet Jews from the USSR to Israel, which pissed off Stalin beyond belief. The Doctors' plot has been theorized as revenge from Stalin at the perceived insult, although that might be an auxiliary cause. Regardless, the degree to which Stalin trusted Russians was odd for a supposed post-national union.

And it wasn't Meir's visit, but her appointment as envoy to the USSR and her greeting in Moscow if I recall.

This post was edited on 2/26/20 at 2:36 pm
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