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re: Are we about to hit stagflation?

Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:53 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:53 am to
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All spending in inconsequential and irrelevant to SFP

That's a nice straw man that doesn't even make sense.

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Biden bears little responsibility

Literally nobody has said this, ITT. Literally nobody.

Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:54 am to
It's hard to believe that the Dems are taking steps to crater the economy in an election year.

That, or they are too stupid to understand the condequences of their actions.

Either way, dumb.
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:55 am to
You too are suffering from Joe’s dementia and are on here posting, admirable!
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:58 am to
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It's hard to believe that the Dems are taking steps to crater the economy in an election year.


I don't think there is a solution, especially in the short term.

Notice the DEMs aren't proposing any of their big spending programs that previously were huge planks? When was the last time you hear someone promoting the Green New Deal?
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 11:59 am to
Posted by Privateer 2007
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:00 pm to
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trump spending pre covid


Trump spent but grew gdp accordingly.
He kept debt to gdp flat.
I would like to pay down debt.
However, growing debt, while growing gdp at same or greater rate doesn't concern me too much.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:00 pm to
Correct
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:01 pm to
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It should be because even Trump's spending pre-Covid was at a level greater than Obama's. It only got worse after he listened to Fauci. We all know how bad Obama was. Right?


Was deficit growth due to spending more or taxing less?
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:03 pm to
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but he wouldn’t have fricked oil and gas like Biden has, which has been one of the biggest drivers of inflation.


Up until just recently energy prices were dragging inflation down.

Posted by Bard
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:04 pm to
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It should be because even Trump's spending pre-Covid was at a level greater than Obama's.


False. From FY2009-FY2012 we had $1T+ annual deficits. None of Trump's pre-COVID deficits were even $1T (although 2019 got close).

OMB site
Historical outlays, deficits, etc.
Outlays, etc. set to FY2017 Dollars
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:06 pm to
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A lot of places reporting it


That's quarterly data, I was thinking you were talking about monthly.

Carry on.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:26 pm to
I just saw this in my email and thought it's relevant to the thread.
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It's Not Me, It's You: Blaming the Public's "Perception of the Economy"

If you think you spent twenty years being ripped off while a generation of rent-seeking scam artists was showered with public subsidies, experts agree: your "perception" needs correcting

“People are really tying Bidenomics and their perception of the economy to the inflation rate,” said Matt Monday of Morning Consult, in a new Bloomberg story titled, “Biden’s gains against Trump vanish against deep economic pessimism, poll shows.” It’s the latest entrant in an intensifying campaign to describe voters, especially in key electoral swing states, as morons and partisan haters who’ll deny reality itself out of political spite.

This campaign has been weirdly perverse in its mockery. Seattle Times cartoonist David Horsey recently tossed off a visual of the reality-denying swing voter, rendering him as a pudgy, confused hominid in the mode of Monty Python’s duncelike Gumbys. Having negative feelings about “the best performing [economy] in the world” is equivalent to denying who won the Super Bowl:

When the Wall Street Journal a few weeks ago ran “What’s Wrong With the Economy? It’s You, Not the Data,” I thought the “It’s not me, it’s you” framing had to be ironic, a spoof of these increasingly numerous “perception of the economy” pieces. Nope:

Noting that 74% of respondents in a recent poll said they felt inflation in the “past year” was going in the wrong direction, author Greg Ip noted flatly “it’s not true,” adding:

I’m not stating an opinion. This isn’t something on which reasonable people can disagree. If hard economic data count for anything, we can say unambiguously that inflation has moved in the right direction in the past year.

Ip might be technically right about the last year of inflation, but I’m not sure how many finance writers want to be in the business of deciding who belongs in the “reasonable people” club, given the last twenty years of unpunished thievery on Wall Street. One could argue a reasonable person would have marched on Manhattan and started defenestrating bankers ten years ago:

Many of these articles are about inflation, so it needs pointing out that the CARES Act, a Fed-fueled bailout plan with major inflationary ramifications, passed on Donald Trump’s watch. It was bipartisan, but I was critical of it and spent much of 2020 traveling the country for a never-published project on the unfortunately enormous universe of Covid-era finance scams. Voters may trust Trump more because his pre-Covid economy was better, and he’s signaled he at least listens to public frustrations by criticizing institutions like the Fed, but Biden made moves he should get credit for, too (like trying to lift the bar on bulk pharmaceutical negotiations). Debating which president is better is irrelevant, though. This “perception” campaign is 100% about press douchebags demonizing people who’ve been screwed before, during, and after Trump.

Especially in the last two decades, the public has been served one financial “shite burger” after another (see today’s Q&A with Chris Irons a.k.a. Quoth the Raven for more). They’ve been ripped off by everyone: banks that sold defective mortgage securities to their retirement funds, pharma companies that charge them thousands per course of medication, private equity titans who strip healthy firms for assets and vaporize jobs, all phenomena that widened inequality and were enabled by hyper-aggressive monetary “rescues” and stimulus programs like Quantitative Easing.

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Some of these articles even show a big reason why stats might not matter at the ground level, but go on to rip the irrational voter anyway. “American economic pessimism has been bafflingly persistent despite major indicators showing that the economy is actually strong,” wrote Vox last month, in yet another piece about “Gaps between perception and reality” in the economy. That same article showed a graph from the Fed charting consumer credit balances:

That graph by itself explains the American pucker factor. Commentators refuse to see it. They also won’t grasp that public mistrust usually has less to do with one-time calculations at the supermarket register than with decades of accumulated frustrations about the increasingly numerous aspects of American life that are straight-up scams, or guaranteed income schemes for failure-proofed rich.

LINK
Posted by DaBike
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:31 pm to
The Dems and MSM - “We just don't understand how good it is”
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:34 pm to
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Unless pols are ready to take on the "hard stuff" (like Social Security and the Military), it doesn't matter. That's the point.


You just live being obtuse
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There is no "easy stuff" at this point


That’s an absolute lie.. you are fully aware of the broad wasted millions within government spending….you just don’t care bc in your mind it doesn’t matter. It’s very simple… If you aren’t willing to do the easy stuff, you won’t attempt the hard stuff.
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
1253 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:40 pm to
Imagine believing flooding the nation with millions of immigrants, forgiving billions in loan debt, and continuing to fund billions in munitions isn’t massive new spending? It’s almost like you are clueless
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:43 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465828 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:44 pm to
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That’s an absolute lie.. you are fully aware of the broad wasted millions within government spending

You could eliminate all of it and likely the federal spending outside of the programs I listed, and the current funding of those programs + our debt/interest would likely still crush us.

That's why it does not matter unless we target the hard ones.
Posted by Rip Torner
Member since Jul 2023
1253 posts
Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:46 pm to
So, new spending is irrelevant?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:46 pm to
New spending in those 4-5 programs (however you slice it) is very relevant
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 12:47 pm to
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Imagine believing flooding the nation with millions of immigrants, forgiving billions in loan debt, and continuing to fund billions in munitions isn’t massive new spending? It’s almost like you are clueless


Literally all of 2020 says hold my beer. Trump was in charge in 2020 even though his supporters try and act like his Presidency ended in 2019.
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