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re: Are there any concrete ideas to prevent police brutality in any of this?
Posted on 6/2/20 at 11:50 am to WhiskeyThrottle
Posted on 6/2/20 at 11:50 am to WhiskeyThrottle
War on drugs. You have too many unnecessary interactions with police.
Louisiana has a problem with this. A black man should not being two years in a private parish prison for having a joint.
The rest can be personal responsibility. Being an officer is a dangerous job because of civilians. You aren't getting top notch professionals knocking down the doors to police these cities.
Louisiana has a problem with this. A black man should not being two years in a private parish prison for having a joint.
The rest can be personal responsibility. Being an officer is a dangerous job because of civilians. You aren't getting top notch professionals knocking down the doors to police these cities.
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Posted on 6/2/20 at 11:52 am to WhiskeyThrottle
Yes.
1. Vote Democrat always. For every position.
2. Listen to everything Democrats say.
3. Embrace communism.
4. Peacefully hand over your guns after the Democrats ban all personal firearms.
5. Never participate in wrongthink.
6. We promise that within 5 years, you won't have to worry about police brutality... because you'll be too busy walking on eggshells, worried that your neighbors may call the secret police on you and your family, because someone in your house may have said the wrong word.
1. Vote Democrat always. For every position.
2. Listen to everything Democrats say.
3. Embrace communism.
4. Peacefully hand over your guns after the Democrats ban all personal firearms.
5. Never participate in wrongthink.
6. We promise that within 5 years, you won't have to worry about police brutality... because you'll be too busy walking on eggshells, worried that your neighbors may call the secret police on you and your family, because someone in your house may have said the wrong word.
This post was edited on 6/2/20 at 11:53 am
Posted on 6/2/20 at 11:56 am to WhiskeyThrottle
Since officer involved deaths are investigated and sent to trial at a faster and higher rate than most murders in this country, I don’t see a legitimate legislative fix here. If the goal is equality of opportunity and that has been attained, what else is there?
Posted on 6/2/20 at 12:19 pm to bmy
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I have zero problems with private sector unions tbh. I don't feel the same way about public sector unions. They get in the way of transparency in a major way.
On top of that, who the frick are they negotiating against?
In some communities, public sector union individuals have SIGNIFICANT voting power.
Thus, effectively, they are electing the people they then "negotiate" against.
What could go wrong there!!!
Posted on 6/2/20 at 12:21 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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Are there any concrete ideas to prevent police brutality in any of this?
Here's the closest I've seen:
LINK
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Lesson 1. Everything you’ve probably heard is a lie. Specifically, the most discussed “solutions” to police violence have no evidence of effectiveness.
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2. There is no evidence that better police training programs or “implicit bias” training changes police behavior. The trainings vary in quality and rarely result in any accountability/changes in decision-making. Don’t put this at the top of your agenda.
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3. More restrictive state and local policies governing police use of force are associated with significantly lower rates of police shootings/killings by police. This is backed by 30+ years of research
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4. Demilitarization. Police depts that get more military weapons from the federal govt kill more people. You can stop that from happening through local and state policy. Montana (Red state) has gone the furthest on this. Your state can and should follow.
I was unaware of the Montana thing. Very interesting.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 12:22 pm to David_DJS
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I would add - a serious effort to weed out the bad apples in the process of hiring/training.
In almost every egregious instance of police use-of-force cases, the officer was either fired from another department or had many red flags that demonstrated that they shouldn’t be doing the job.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 12:23 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
100 percent prevention? Not possible.
We can end the drug prohibition.
End no knock warrants.
Start respecting the 4th amendment again.
Recruiting and advocating smart policing.
We can end the drug prohibition.
End no knock warrants.
Start respecting the 4th amendment again.
Recruiting and advocating smart policing.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 12:24 pm to the808bass
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In almost every egregious instance of police use-of-force cases, the officer was either fired from another department or had many red flags that demonstrated that they shouldn’t be doing the job.
Which I think is a function of:
1) Too much demand for policing which = a need for more quality officers than we can reasonably expect to hire
2) Too damned many Podunk police departments which is very much a function of
3) Police being used as revenue producers(which kinda goes back to #1)
Posted on 6/2/20 at 12:27 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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I've heard vague "suggestions" like deescalation training.
"Deescalation" is a two-way street.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 12:28 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
yeah. how about stop resisting arrest to start with. in the case of rioters and looters no police response should be considered too brutal.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 12:28 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
There’s a great Jim Carrey gif that explains the plan
Posted on 6/2/20 at 12:30 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
The only solution is to turn the Police into hall monitors. No weapons not actual authority. They will show up once all the shooting/violence is over to call the other services Fire/Medics maybe render alittle aid to anyone still breathing then collect and catalogue the remains and try and return them to the next of kin.
Posted on 6/2/20 at 12:31 pm to ShortyRob
Yep
Posted on 6/2/20 at 3:05 pm to Possumslayer
quote:oh blm people say they are being hunted and killed for sport by cops. they're just walking down the street to onti latoya's house, cops pull up, gun everyone down and then go free.
Don’t break the law is the easiest way to avoid the cops
Posted on 6/2/20 at 3:19 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:bull. also, this has led to increase in crime because police depts are pulling back. baltimore is the most notable example.
More restrictive state and local policies governing police use of force are associated with significantly lower rates of police shootings/killings by police. This is backed by 30+ years of research
quote:also bull
Police depts that get more military weapons from the federal govt kill more people
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:46 am to corneredbeast
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A must is for them to 'police' themselves. One or two or three can't stand around watching another doing something they know is illegal
This is what I've never understood. It's also why I believe the good cops deserve some blame in this. "The only thing needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
I guess it's also why I've never pursued my thoughts of engaging in a career in law enforcement. I know, from my past experiences in my life, that if I was a good cop in a situation with the bad cop my reaction would be to pull them aside and lecture them about it. Would I jump on him and try to arrest him? Highly unlikely. Not unless I saw him doing something absolutely egregious with zero justification. I mean, I would still have to work with this guy everyday so kid gloves are needed here. But to just stand there and do nothing is not acceptable. You pull him aside and deal with it in a private conversation. After a couple of those the behavior will subside. You can also lead by example and that absolutely works and why leadership is so important at every level right down to the boots on the ground.
This post was edited on 6/3/20 at 7:47 am
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:48 am to WhiskeyThrottle
Don’t do the crime.
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:49 am to corneredbeast
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A must is for them to 'police' themselves. One or two or three can't stand around watching another doing something they know is illegal.
Weird that you got a bunch of downvotes for this comment.
ETA: never mind. Just saw who posted that comment
This board always wants to do away with public unions, teachers unions, Etc. Tell them the jackboots should disband and you get downvoted. Some of you people really need to look at yourself in the mirror and try to nail down a consistent philosophy.
Police unions are major problem when they're allowed to donate to political campaigns.
This post was edited on 6/3/20 at 7:58 am
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:51 am to Fun Bunch
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There is an actual movement to "not call police on black people".
Most police are a-ok with this plan
Posted on 6/3/20 at 7:53 am to Dawgfanman
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-end qualified immunity as it is interpreted for police
-end police unions
-end no knock warrants
-end the drug war
-end civil asset forfeitures
-no for profit prisons
All of this.
I'm absolutely amazed that we allow for-profit prisons. I mean, if you step back and think about the concept of such a thing in a society like America it's fricking flabbergasting. It's outright insanity. You've just incentivize jailing people with the most delicious carrot that's ever been placed on the end of a stick.
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