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Are Republicans really getting what they want in Louisiana?
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:39 am
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:39 am
I've read many threads on here regarding job opportunities in states and voting for Republican candidates keep some form of solidarity in states economy.
What do really want out of a GOP governor or mayor? A good economy can develop in either a Democratic or Republican state. Placing blame solely on political parties is inaccurate.
The LA economy may not necessarily be bad, but I believe it is one-dimensional. I have nothing against process operations, construction, or medical professionals but I dont think you should limit all your decent paying jobs to it.
As for welfare, I have mixed feelings. I believe people need to work. At the same time, I acknowledge that most welfare recipients will not be able to live off the wages they earn. The system needs to be redesigned to aid working people making below a certain salary. It also needs to have a termination date after x number of years.
I think we need to hold our GOP politicians accountable for some of problems the state faces. You can only blame previous governors for so long. If even people like me can leave and find work, I can only imagine what more productive individuals can/have done.
EDIT: I'll add that I understand welfare recipients need job training or community colleges in order to get better paying jobs. Perhaps the state could do a model similar to California and offer one year of community college free? I understand wanting them to work, but they will still be in poverty if the best they can is low wage jobs.
EDIT 2: I grew up in a small town like some of you did. I believe the biggest problem is that many townships started around a particular industry (forestry, manufacturing, paper mill, etc.) That has either phased out due to modern technology or simply left the state (for reasons most of already know). I don't entirely blame O&G.
What do really want out of a GOP governor or mayor? A good economy can develop in either a Democratic or Republican state. Placing blame solely on political parties is inaccurate.
The LA economy may not necessarily be bad, but I believe it is one-dimensional. I have nothing against process operations, construction, or medical professionals but I dont think you should limit all your decent paying jobs to it.
As for welfare, I have mixed feelings. I believe people need to work. At the same time, I acknowledge that most welfare recipients will not be able to live off the wages they earn. The system needs to be redesigned to aid working people making below a certain salary. It also needs to have a termination date after x number of years.
I think we need to hold our GOP politicians accountable for some of problems the state faces. You can only blame previous governors for so long. If even people like me can leave and find work, I can only imagine what more productive individuals can/have done.
EDIT: I'll add that I understand welfare recipients need job training or community colleges in order to get better paying jobs. Perhaps the state could do a model similar to California and offer one year of community college free? I understand wanting them to work, but they will still be in poverty if the best they can is low wage jobs.
EDIT 2: I grew up in a small town like some of you did. I believe the biggest problem is that many townships started around a particular industry (forestry, manufacturing, paper mill, etc.) That has either phased out due to modern technology or simply left the state (for reasons most of already know). I don't entirely blame O&G.
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 11:55 am
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Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:43 am to volod
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As for welfare, I have mixed feelings. I believe people need to work. At the same time, I acknowledge that most welfare recipients will not be able to live off the wages they earn. The system needs to be redesigned to aid working people making below a certain salary. It also needs to have a termination date after x number of years.
That is actually the law, it just isn't enforced.
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I think we need to hold our GOP politicians accountable for some of problems the state faces. You can only blame previous governors for so long. If even people like me can leave and find work, I can only imagine what more productive individuals can/have done.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:45 am to volod
They only care about their own personal bank account. The rest of the state's economy is secondary.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:51 am to volod
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Are Republicans really getting what they want in Louisiana?
Voters or politicians?
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:56 am to volod
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EDIT: I'll add that I understand welfare recipients need job training or community colleges in order to get better paying jobs. Perhaps the state could do a model similar to California and offer one year of community college free? I understand wanting them to work, but they will still be in poverty if the best they can is low wage jobs.
The problem for those on SSI isn’t barriers to obtain work. It is that the welfare state has created a perverse disincentive for them NOT to work. They receive more benefits by not becoming a blue collar worker than they do by working an honest job and possibly moving up the ladder. This is what is killing the USA.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 11:57 am to Snipe
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Voters or politicians?
Voters.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:02 pm to volod
More substantive answer.
We need to grow the economy. It would be nice to expand past plants.
To do that we need an attractive business environment.
That includes:
1. Reasonable, PREDICTABLE taxes.
2. Reasonable, PREDICTABLE regulations. This includes a system that isn't slanted toward plaintiffs, but that might be its own point.
3. Infrastructure (depends on the industry but roads, ports, pipelines but also air travel particularly for more white collar jobs)
4. An educated/trained workforce
5. A place people want to live (so amenities, but also low crime).
The issues is #3-5 cost money, but there is #1.
To fix that we can redirect money spent on nonsense towards 3-5 (and mostly 3&4). If we do that, voters might actually be willing to be taxed a bit more if they saw things were actually working.
That's all helps grow the economy which in return grows taxes which can be but back into wise investments for a virtuous circle.
In the meantime we can at least work on #2.
We need to grow the economy. It would be nice to expand past plants.
To do that we need an attractive business environment.
That includes:
1. Reasonable, PREDICTABLE taxes.
2. Reasonable, PREDICTABLE regulations. This includes a system that isn't slanted toward plaintiffs, but that might be its own point.
3. Infrastructure (depends on the industry but roads, ports, pipelines but also air travel particularly for more white collar jobs)
4. An educated/trained workforce
5. A place people want to live (so amenities, but also low crime).
The issues is #3-5 cost money, but there is #1.
To fix that we can redirect money spent on nonsense towards 3-5 (and mostly 3&4). If we do that, voters might actually be willing to be taxed a bit more if they saw things were actually working.
That's all helps grow the economy which in return grows taxes which can be but back into wise investments for a virtuous circle.
In the meantime we can at least work on #2.
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:06 pm to makinskrilla
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They receive more benefits by not becoming a blue collar worker than they do by working an honest job and possibly moving up the ladder. This is what is killing the USA.
realistically, huge percentage can't be expected to ever command high pay in today's world. Republicans refuse to deal with reality, live in idealistic bubble where all can pull up by own bootstraps.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:07 pm to volod
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in Louisiana?
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:09 pm to CelticDog
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realistically, huge percentage can't be expected to ever command high pay in today's world. Republicans refuse to deal with reality, live in idealistic bubble where all can pull up by own bootstraps.
And Democrats want to mandate high pay via government edict, as if that didn't have any negative consequences and WE are on the ones who live in an idealistic bubble???
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:11 pm to volod
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GOP governor or mayor
That will never happen in my lifetime
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:11 pm to volod
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Placing blame solely on political parties is inaccurate.
True, but if you look st the democratic platform, it is as anti-jobs as possible outside of government jobs. It is nothing but increased taxes and increased regulations and increased state control and funding with rare exception (Kip Holden is one of those few business friendly dems).
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The LA economy may not necessarily be bad, but I believe it is one-dimensional. I have nothing against process operations, construction, or medical professionals but I dont think you should limit all your decent paying jobs to it.
Our job market isn't limited to those sectors by choice. That just happens to be what we have a competitive advantage at. We don't presently have the trained workforce for things like boutique IT or aerospace or auto manufacturing, but we do have a very well-trained workforce for construction, chemical engineering, ag, fishing, and oil field technology. Part of this is the chicken vs the egg. Louisiana's problem is its tax structure, lack of capable road infrastructure, crime, and bad education reputation make it pretty undesirable for outside white collar firms to set up here when they could much more easily be just a few hours away in Houston. We focus on what we're good at to afford to improve what we're not good at.
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I think we need to hold our GOP politicians accountable for some of problems the state faces.
We do. In case you haven't noticed, Jindal was not a popular governor when he left office and Vitter did not win election to be governor. The GOP in this state is an absolute shite show that we crap on incessantly, especially incompetent buffoons like Villere and Nungesser and corrupt RINOS like Alario.
Also, we do offer 4 YEARS of free college so long as you're even a mediocre high school student via TOPS. There is NO EXCUSE for not getting a decent education in this state. NONE!
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:14 pm to volod
Republicans do not control Louisiana.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:15 pm to CelticDog
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realistically, huge percentage can't be expected to ever command high pay in today's world.
I guess you don’t place much worth on the inherent value of human life life, do you pal? If local associations of retarded citizens can find jobs at Albertsons, Walmart’s, etc, then the “disabled” can find work as well. Sounds like you just want people dependent on the govt teat.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:17 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Republicans do not control Louisiana.
and even under Jindal, despite nominal majorities, they still didn't have much control. That majority was made up largely of turncoats who had recently switched parties, but not changed their politics. The Senate under Jindal was particularly obstinate, almost a mirror image of what Trump faced the last two years with McCain, Murkowski, McCaskell, Flake, et all opposing everything he did enough to render that majority ineffective.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:24 pm to kingbob
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and even under Jindal, despite nominal majorities, they still didn't have much control.
Right
The largest cities are all Dem strongholds.
Hell, Treen, Foster and Jindal have been the only Republican governors for 150 years.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 12:58 pm to kingbob
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True, but if you look st the democratic platform, it is as anti-jobs as possible outside of government jobs. It is nothing but increased taxes and increased regulations and increased state control and funding with rare exception (Kip Holden is one of those few business friendly dems).
I acknowledge this. The Democrats in LA focus too much in providing services instead of investing into the future of their supporters.
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don't presently have the trained workforce for things like boutique IT or aerospace or auto manufacturing, but we do have a very well-trained workforce for construction, chemical engineering, ag, fishing, and oil field technology. Part of this is the chicken vs the egg. Louisiana's problem is its tax structure, lack of capable road infrastructure, crime, and bad education reputation make it pretty undesirable for outside white collar firms to set up here when they could much more easily be just a few hours away in Houston.
In fairness, you could make the argument that our youth need to complete Chemical Engineering, Agriculture, etc. education to do well in Louisiana. Is it a question of "we dont have enough companies" or " we don't have enough qualified people"
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The GOP in this state is an absolute shite show that we crap on incessantly, especially incompetent buffoons like Villere and Nungesser and corrupt RINOS like Alario.
I'll have to look up some of these guys. Bad candidates are tricky thing to tackle because "why did this person become so popular in the first place?"
Posted on 12/11/18 at 1:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Republicans do not control Louisiana.
I've never heard that before. If you look at an electoral map we are just as Red as other deep South states.
The only notable Blue havens are New Orleans and Baton Rouge.
I'll have to look at the economic breakdown to see which areas have the highest concentration of jobs. Notice I said jobs, not wealth. Wealth can come in many forms and isnt dependent on the local economy.
This post was edited on 12/11/18 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 12/11/18 at 1:44 pm to volod
This state didn’t go red in national elections until Reagan and elected its first republican governor since reconstruction with David Treen. It went blue twice to vote for Clinton. We elected our first republican senator in the early 2000s with Vitter. The GOP got its first ever majority in the state legislature under Jindal, and like I said, most of them only changed parties leading up to Jindal’s election. Heck, Senator John Kennedy campaigned openly for John Kerry for president against George W. Bush!
Every local government in this state is dominated by the democratic party.
While the people vote red in national elections by a small majority, the government of this state has been absolutely dominated by blue politics since 1877.
Every local government in this state is dominated by the democratic party.
While the people vote red in national elections by a small majority, the government of this state has been absolutely dominated by blue politics since 1877.
Posted on 12/11/18 at 1:54 pm to kingbob
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Every local government in this state is dominated by the democratic party.
I guess that begs the question, why do we have blue local governments when most of those parishes vote RED in all national elections.
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