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Archbishop of San Francisco - Pastoral Letter mentioning pro abortion politicians

Posted on 5/2/21 at 6:40 am
Posted by Mellow Drama
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Posted on 5/2/21 at 6:40 am
He doesn't call out Dear Speaker directly, but reminds all Catholics in public life of their duty.

Ironic that Trump, a non-Catholic, is more in line with the archbishop's thoughts that Dear Speaker.

I'm sure that mumbling old witch will either ignore it or mumble some double speak how it doesn't apply to her. But Nancy can't say she wasn't warned:

Letter from SF ArchBishop released May 1 2021, Section 4 - Catholics in Public Life

quote:

This correction takes several forms, and rightly begins with private conversations between the erring Catholic and his or her parish priest or bishop. The experience of some of us in Church leadership over many years demonstrates the sad truth that often such interventions can be fruitless. It can happen that the conversations tend to go nowhere, thus leaving it easy for the individual to continue participating fully in the life of the Church. Such a situation is a cause of scandal to many of the faithful.

Because we are dealing with public figures and public examples of cooperation in moral evil, this correction can also take the public form of exclusion from the reception of Holy Communion. As seen above, this discipline has been exercised throughout our history, going back to the New Testament. When other avenues are exhausted, the only recourse a pastor has left is the public medicine of temporary exclusion from the Lord’s Table. This is a bitter medicine, but the gravity of the evil of abortion can sometimes warrant it. Speaking for myself, I always keep before me the words from the prophet Ezekiel: “When I say to the wicked, ‘You wicked, you must die,’ and you do not speak up to warn the wicked about their ways, they shall die in their sins, but I will hold you responsible for their blood” (Ez 33:8). I tremble that if I do not forthrightly challenge Catholics under my pastoral care who advocate for abortion, both they and I will have to answer to God for innocent blood.
Posted by Mellow Drama
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Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 5/2/21 at 6:43 am to
from the executive summary:

quote:

There are four pivotal points to this letter:

The gravity of the evil of abortion: Science teaches that human life begins at conception. The ending of life through abortion deeply wounds the woman and destroys the foundation of a just society; it is a “pre-eminent priority” because it violates the right to life, the foundation of all other rights. As Catholics we must be a voice for the voiceless and the powerless; there is no one more defenseless than a child in the womb.

Cooperation in moral evil: Who bears culpability when an abortion takes place? It is never solely the mother’s act. Those who kill or assist in killing the child are directly involved in performing a seriously evil act. Someone who pressures or encourages the mother to have an abortion, who pays for it or provides financial assistance to organizations that provide abortions, or who supports candidates who advance pro-abortion legislation also cooperate by varying degrees in a grave moral evil.

The meaning of choosing to receive the Holy Eucharist: The Church has taught consistently for 2000 years that those who receive the Eucharist are publicly professing their Catholic faith and are seriously striving to live by the moral teachings of the Church. Those who reject the teaching of the Church on the sanctity of human life and those who do not seek to live in accordance with that teaching place themselves in contradiction to the communion of the Church, and so should not receive the sacrament of that communion, the Holy Eucharist. We all fall short in various ways, but there is a great difference between struggling to live according to the teachings of the Church and rejecting those teachings.

The responsibilities of Catholics in public life: From the three points above it follows that Catholics prominent in public life have a special responsibility to bear witness to the fullness of Church teaching. In addition to their own spiritual good there is also the danger of scandal: that is, by their false witness, other Catholics may come to doubt the Church’s teaching on abortion, the Holy Eucharist, or both. This is becoming increasingly challenging in our time.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21621 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 7:14 am to
Half of American women are pro-life, how the pro-life movement has been tarred and feathered as a war on women is yet another example of the media choosing activism over journalism.
Posted by TDsngumbo
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/2/21 at 7:31 am to
quote:

Someone who pressures or encourages the mother to have an abortion, who pays for it or provides financial assistance to organizations that provide abortions, or who supports candidates who advance pro-abortion legislation also cooperate by varying degrees in a grave moral evil.

This is why I just can’t, for the life of me, understand how anyone who calls themselves a Catholic, can vote for a single democrat. God makes no distinction between those who perform abortion and those who support it in any way.
As a Catholic, voting democrat would scare the shite out of me for what is to come in the afterlife.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
65130 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 7:43 am to
I believe the rumor is that the U.S. Catholic Bishops Conference, which is set to take place in June, will see a public letter that forbids pro-choice Catholic politicians from receiving the Eucharist be released. The Archbishop of San Francisco might have just confirmed this with this letter. This is his way of offering them a lifeline. If they don't take it, they will be publicly forbidden from receiving communion on Sundays.
This post was edited on 5/2/21 at 7:44 am
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
98887 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 7:51 am to
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This is why I just can’t, for the life of me, understand how anyone who calls themselves a Catholic, can vote for a single democrat


Because: 1)the Dems are for open borders, which means more parishioners (southern border crossers are overwhelmingly Catholic); 2) the Dems support/pursue redistributionist policies under the guise of "social justice"; and 3) the Dems seek to subvert US "nationalism" and bring it low and under the control of international organizations.
This post was edited on 5/2/21 at 8:04 am
Posted by evil cockroach
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Member since Nov 2007
7471 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 7:52 am to
The tough part about all this is to try to answer the question what is it mean to be pro life. l know of certain people who vote for Democratic candidates and they say their pro life , because their candidate supports more funding for young pregnant mothers , so that they don’t make the free choice to go get an abortion , and therefore because they support this extra funding and services for young mothers, that’s them being pro life.
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
29049 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 7:57 am to
I have feared for a long time that, as a society and a Nation, we will be punished harshly for not only allowing abortion but also for not crushing those who harm and abuse children.

God help us, and have mercy on us.
Posted by WhiskeyPlease
Member since Sep 2018
1959 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 8:16 am to
Democrats are Murderers Liars and Cheaters. #ImpeachBiden
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19277 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 8:20 am to
quote:

I believe the rumor is that the U.S. Catholic Bishops Conference, which is set to take place in June, will see a public letter that forbids pro-choice Catholic politicians from receiving the Eucharist be released. The Archbishop of San Francisco might have just confirmed this with this letter. This is his way of offering them a lifeline. If they don't take it, they will be publicly forbidden from receiving communion on Sundays.


It's long past time.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30746 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 8:28 am to
I wish more bishops would speak up like this.

Side note...The pro-life march is always the largest gathering in DC but never gets a shred of coverage.
Posted by TDsngumbo
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/2/21 at 8:35 am to
quote:

Because: 1)the Dems are for open borders, which means more parishioners (southern border crossers are overwhelmingly Catholic)

I doubt that’s a huge goal of many parishioners.
quote:

the Dems support/pursue redistributionist policies under the guise of "social justice";

Many Christian churches believe in helping the poor, as do I. My problem with it, politically, is that in many ways it’s theft. God only asked for 10%. Supporting abortion is a mortal sin in the Catholic Church.
quote:

the Dems seek to subvert US "nationalism" and bring it low and under the control of international organizations

Maybe that’s over my head but I’m not connecting that to Catholic parishioners.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30590 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 8:37 am to
quote:

Ironic that Trump, a non-Catholic, is more in line with the archbishop's thoughts that Dear Speaker.

I doubt Pelosi practices Catholicism at all, and if she does then it’s just for appearances
Posted by GetmorewithLes
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Member since Jan 2011
19077 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 8:58 am to
quote:

This is why I just can’t, for the life of me, understand how anyone who calls themselves a Catholic, can vote for a single democrat. God makes no distinction between those who perform abortion and those who support it in any way.
As a Catholic, voting democrat would scare the shite out of me for what is to come in the afterlife.



I agree. As a practicing Catholic I cannot believe that the Church has not called out Biden, Pelosi, and others for their heresy.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:09 am to
quote:


This is why I just can’t, for the life of me, understand how anyone who calls themselves a Catholic, can vote for a single democrat.


Sadly it is primarily due to muddying the waters teachings of certain bishops. For example, Bernadin’s (a wolve is sheep’s clothing most definitely) and his “Seamless Garmet” BS. Teachings like that give grace evil just enough cover to be perpetuated.
Posted by WhiteMandingo
Member since Jan 2016
5604 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:12 am to
The reality is the pope will issue a letter reprimanding him and say abortion is bad,but we can look past it to get our great reset....
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
26643 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 9:26 am to
quote:

there is a great difference between struggling to live according to the teachings of the Church and rejecting those teachings.


The money line right there.

We are all sinners, despite our best intentions.

It is one thing, though, to give in to your temptations/weaknesses. It is quite another to declare that what you are doing is not a sin, even though it clearly is.

Those who do the latter are literally thumbing their nose at God.
Posted by RemyLeBeau
Member since Mar 2015
1794 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 10:39 am to
quote:

Dems support/pursue redistributionist policies under the guise of "social justice";



I always remind my Dem relatives and friends when they spout off, or post a meme of Jesus saying feed and clothe the poor, that Jesus said for YOU to do so. Not give to the government to give to the needy.

This excommunication of Catholic politicians who support abortion should be a hill for the Catholic church to die on. We at least used to be for the outspoken protection of children. Catholic priests can put as many little white crosses out there, or tweet about the right to life, but action demands leadership. If nothing else, they should force the Pope to make a statement about politicians supporting abortion.
Posted by Bulldogblitz
In my house
Member since Dec 2018
26784 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 10:43 am to
quote:

This is why I just can’t, for the life of me, understand how anyone who calls themselves a Catholic, can vote for a single democrat


I dated one of these CINOs for a short time. She explained that as long as she wasn't getting an abortion or performing one, she was "good". Being in favor of abortion were other people's choices, so who was she to deny them their right to choose.

It's bizarre.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72734 posts
Posted on 5/2/21 at 10:45 am to
Pope Trump!!!


Pelosi is a fake arse pos like Biden
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