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re: Appeals court calls Trump administration's defiance over mistakenly deported man shocking.

Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:47 pm to
Posted by Narax
Member since Jan 2023
6329 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 9:47 pm to
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residents


Yup he's no longer a resident here.
Posted by Nosevens
Member since Apr 2019
17395 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 10:00 pm to
If they were president at the time they have the authority. Obama did use it as you may recall, he targeted and kill an American citizen overseas without due process.
Posted by SwampMonster
Member since Feb 2025
592 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 12:28 am to
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And look at you, over here applying one single post to all kinds of “you people


You took offense? So you just outed yourself as one of “you people”.

Sheep…freaking sheep who never were sent into harms’ way by clowns like Bush and Cheney and Obama who never served in combat but had no problem sending me and my brothers into fake dangers with jingoistic tropes.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35176 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 1:46 am to
That doesn’t make sense considering the gist of my post. Such a non-issue for you to somehow get offended over. But I’m not overly concerned, neither should you be. Cheers.
Posted by SwampMonster
Member since Feb 2025
592 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 1:51 am to
I apologize for making you feel offended. As I sit here in pain from 22 years of giving up my body to a cause I now realize was a fraud, I often address it wrongly, so please forgive me.
Posted by N.O. via West-Cal
New Orleans
Member since Aug 2004
7690 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 2:06 am to
“ Process is more important than outcome to worthless bureaucrats”

If you don’t care about process then We are just another country. Nothing special about us. Screw that. I like being an American.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35176 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 3:49 am to
Process schmocess. It ain’t no more about due process to all you lecturers. Pop quiz: Specifically what is the “process” that the fella didn’t receive, using honesty in not looking it up in any way whatsoever. Specifically.
This post was edited on 4/18/25 at 3:51 am
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35176 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 4:17 am to
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I apologize for making you feel offended. As I sit here in pain from 22 years of giving up my body to a cause I now realize was a fraud, I often address it wrongly, so please forgive me.

Well, now let’s make sure we’re speaking the same language here. I’d like the record to reflect that I am not offended. And you know what? I genuinely hope you aren’t either, because I don’t want you to be. That said, I would be interested to learn of how exactly your body was given in pain for 22 years. You have me curious. Please know that I ask that seriously and genuinely. If you don’t want to share, that’s fine too, I’d understand.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135856 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 5:08 am to
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The admin broke the law and violated prior orders.
No.

That implies a willfulness which is yet unestablished. It appears the Administration screwed up. Now, perhaps they did so with full knowledge, which would be worse. Either way though, it's a one-off. The Administration is not vowing to ignore future withholding orders. But that is not what this is really about.

Ultimately though this is again about the Judicial Branch asserting that even it's lowest Judges possess complete and unconstitutional supremacy over the entire Executive Branch, albeit for abbreviated periods in some cases. The Judicial Branch asserts the Executive Branch is subservient in such instances, without question, or regard to reason, or law or consequence.

It's why I've asked you several times, as folks intimate the EB is creating a Constitutional crisis, if you thought the JB could ever be the guilty element in instigating a Constitutional crisis. As far as I can tell, you've continued to dodge that question, which I find interesting.

In this case, the Judicial Branch is now inserting itself into foreign diplomacy. Garcia was deported to El Salvador. Rightly or wrongly, that's water under the bridge. He is now an El Salvadorian citizen, in El Salvador, subject to El Salvadorian law. Those are the facts. Period! The lower courts assert that, beyond facilitation, the Trump Administration should somehow wrest Garcia from his home country and secret him away to the US. Then, on return to the US, the EB would engage deportment hearings, and deport Garcia once again. It is preposterous.

Ultimately it gets back to the Boasberg premise:
quote:

"If a party chooses to disobey the order — rather than wait for it to be reversed through the judicial process — such disobedience is punishable as contempt, notwithstanding any later-revealed deficiencies in the order."
"A party" (in this case an entire branch of government) must abide deficient court orders issued for deficient reasons by a deficient judge or face a criminal prosecution ... Notwithstanding any deficiencies in the order?
Notwithstanding any deficiencies?
REALLY?

Aside from the balance of powers angle, what if the Judge's order demanded an immediate criminal act be performed by a party .... or else the party would face criminal prosecution? Then when arrested after committing the immediate criminal act, the party's argument would be "he told me to do it"?

Given this stance, a singular Judge, whether it be Xinis or Boasberg or any other of ~675 district Judges can issue clearly Constitutionally deficient edicts shutting down the EB or affecting international policy, and the entire EB must immediately stop and abide the single judge's deficient demand?

If that is the case, we no longer have co-equal branches of government.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35176 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 5:13 am to
Damn, you bowed up on that post. Cliffs? Other than the point that SFP contrarian position is wrong, whatever it may be?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135856 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 5:20 am to
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Cliffs?
The Judicial Branch is instigating Constitutional crises.
Posted by ole man
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2007
17007 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 5:38 am to
So 3 down voters are ok with illegals coming here Ya'll are just like all those Martha Vineyard liberals they love em until they come to your neighborhood,
ya'll are a fricked up bunch of loosers
Posted by jrobic4
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
12299 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:13 am to
They ALWAYS look exactly like you think they would!
Posted by Tigergreg
Metairie
Member since Feb 2005
24539 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:14 am to
"Shocking"
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135856 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 7:12 am to
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So 3 down voters
I think I got the same 3.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
39917 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 7:27 am to
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Maybe if the Obama and Biden administrations hadn’t shat on immigration law, this man would never gotten here nor would he have been able to stay here especially after beating his wife. Why wasn’t he deported when he was ordered to be deported not once, but twice?


Great point. Dumb arse leftists don’t have the self awareness to even realize their policies landed this man in prison. Well, that and he didn’t have to be a criminal.
Posted by SwampMonster
Member since Feb 2025
592 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 8:46 am to
Thank you for your sincerity.

To answer your question, I sustained many injuries ranging the gamut from training (“more you sweat in training, less you sweat in battle”) to injuries sustained in combat.

I’m a young man but my body is broken and the pain constantly reminds me of each and every school and deployment.

God bless you on Holy Friday.
Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
5215 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 2:57 pm to
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'Resident' is not the same as 'Citizen'.



Correct. He was never a citizen. He was once an illegal resident. He is now neither.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112648 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 5:21 pm to
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He's not a resident of this country anymore
He came here illegally, was he ever even a resident?
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
24717 posts
Posted on 4/18/25 at 6:07 pm to
I think the courts should push the issue and do something about it. Try to hold the executive branch and a foreign government in contempt. That judiciary would be disassembled before the ink dries.
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