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re: Appeals court calls Trump administration's defiance over mistakenly deported man shocking.

Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:15 pm to
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:15 pm to
Yeah - the highlighted part proves my point. The issue of the properness or legality of the deportation order was never an issue before the Surpeme Court because the government admitted it was an error. Thus, there was no reason for SCOTUS to "rule" on that question.

It is easy to see the issue that SCOTUS ruled on - they explicitly state in the order. And it most definitely was not the legality of the deportation.

You are acting as if the legality of the deportation occupied the justices' mind - it most certainly didn't, because, again, the government had admitted the administrative error in the U.S. District Court. Why in the world would SCOTUS waste time "ruling" on something that is uncontested in the record?
Posted by rooster108bm
Member since Nov 2010
3237 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:17 pm to
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No person
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any person


What your dumb arse doesn't comprehend is that as written the constitution didn't apply to either slaves or native Americans and had to be amended to include them .

So like I said how in the frick do you think it applies to in anyone who steps on the so called magic dirt?
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39284 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:20 pm to
These corrupt leftist judges are making themselves irrelevant.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37364 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:21 pm to
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Bring this guy back, do it the right way and then send him back to El Salvador

This administration refuses to do legally pragmatic shite like that though.

They are correct on the issue, but just can’t stop intentionally picking fights in court, only to then turn around and complain that courts are holding everything up.

This was incredibly avoidable.
Posted by MikkUGA
Destin
Member since Jun 2014
2977 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:25 pm to
His removal was not in error. His removal to El Salvador was in error because he was claiming asylum under the premise that he feared violence from a rival gang. Lets just begin there. using that as an asylum claim is not legitimate. So that makes the entire removal to El Salvador being illegal null and void.
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
2417 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:25 pm to
You might be right.

But I doubt the sort of illegality the District Courts have been engaged in: illegal jurisdiction claims, overstepping the separation of powers, etc. would be stopped or even slowed down had the Administration given an inch on this case.
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
37364 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:28 pm to
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had the Administration given an inch on this case.

I just meant do it right the first time. Obey the order and appeal it, and win. Then to CECOT he goes. The admin is great on policy. But implementation always seems impulsive and half-baked
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 7:29 pm
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:28 pm to
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the executive is defying a supreme court order then they are acting like they are above their co-equal branch in government.


And if they succumb to the Supreme court's insanity they aren't co equal either.

The way this works is the Supreme Court offers opinion (that word choice is not accidental) the executive either respects or rejects that opinion and executes accordingly.

The executive is then accountable through impeachment or election. This ultimately puts the judgement in the people. Same for the judges, they can be impeached.

That's our government.

For example, Mississippi ignored court opinion and the executive chose to enforce biracial school enrollment and suffer the political support or fallout from that action. Ultimately it was supported.

Where we are is two laws contradict each other, the executive has one opinion and the judicial another. The executive will decide the course and suffer the political consequences.

Perhaps our country would prefer we suffer poor rulings to keep a norm, perhaps in this case not.

We'll see.

You are arguing that oligarchy (scotus) is inherently more just than monarchy (executive). Thats wrong. It depends on the oligarchy or the monarchy. It also isn't our form of government either way.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:29 pm to
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Come the frick on... You know if Trump said "Hey, we will pay for you to fly him back to us and then we will ship him somewhere else" the El Salvadorian President would.


Correct

Otherwise the argument is Trump is Bukele's bitch
Posted by Messedup
Member since Jan 2020
34 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:32 pm to
GFY, Bunk is just that, shitty crap that nobody cares for. Damn, you are terrible at this!
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
35565 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:33 pm to
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This is a very stupid hill for them to die on


Regardless of what the courts are doing, this is a Trump victory.

No one gives a shite about this guy.This is a major PR win, the gift that keeps on giving.

Trump was elected on this.

There is only one group dying on hills, and it’s not the republicans.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:36 pm to
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The way this works is the Supreme Court offers opinion (that word choice is not accidental) the executive either respects or rejects that opinion and executes accordingly.



No.

This hasn't been in dispute since Marbury v. Madison
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68483 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:37 pm to
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I just meant do it right the first time. Obey the order and appeal it, and win. Then to CECOT he goes. The admin is great on policy. But implementation always seems impulsive and half-baked

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:37 pm to
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No one gives a shite about this guy.This is a major PR win, the gift that keeps on giving.


Lots of people care if the admin is seen as ignoring court orders. That's the main story

The only people who give a shite about this guy, individually, are MAGA
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:41 pm to
It's literally just muh fight nonsense

They're addicted to the dopamine hits from the macho projection.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:42 pm to
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This hasn't been in dispute since Marbury v. Madison


Marbury vs Madison is in dispute to this day and it didn't change anything I discussed.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 7:43 pm
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24273 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:44 pm to
It's literally just muh fight nonsense

You're addicted "muh norm" nonsense around institutions that aren't worth caring about norms.

Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
66699 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:46 pm to
Could we deport these people too?


Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36756 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:46 pm to
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They're addicted to the dopamine hits from the macho projection.

Rather that than knowing beyond all doubt that there’s a complete omission of any semblance of “macho” in myself, and having to hide the depraved anguish it’s caused me. Since you mentioned it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
477231 posts
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:46 pm to
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Marbury vs Madison is in dispute to this day


By whom, exactly?

Moonbats?
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