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re: Appeals court calls Trump administration's defiance over mistakenly deported man shocking.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:15 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yeah - the highlighted part proves my point. The issue of the properness or legality of the deportation order was never an issue before the Surpeme Court because the government admitted it was an error. Thus, there was no reason for SCOTUS to "rule" on that question.
It is easy to see the issue that SCOTUS ruled on - they explicitly state in the order. And it most definitely was not the legality of the deportation.
You are acting as if the legality of the deportation occupied the justices' mind - it most certainly didn't, because, again, the government had admitted the administrative error in the U.S. District Court. Why in the world would SCOTUS waste time "ruling" on something that is uncontested in the record?
It is easy to see the issue that SCOTUS ruled on - they explicitly state in the order. And it most definitely was not the legality of the deportation.
You are acting as if the legality of the deportation occupied the justices' mind - it most certainly didn't, because, again, the government had admitted the administrative error in the U.S. District Court. Why in the world would SCOTUS waste time "ruling" on something that is uncontested in the record?
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:17 pm to Notrub14
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No person
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any person
What your dumb arse doesn't comprehend is that as written the constitution didn't apply to either slaves or native Americans and had to be amended to include them .
So like I said how in the frick do you think it applies to in anyone who steps on the so called magic dirt?
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:20 pm to Bunk Moreland
These corrupt leftist judges are making themselves irrelevant.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:21 pm to KiwiHead
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Bring this guy back, do it the right way and then send him back to El Salvador
This administration refuses to do legally pragmatic shite like that though.
They are correct on the issue, but just can’t stop intentionally picking fights in court, only to then turn around and complain that courts are holding everything up.
This was incredibly avoidable.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
His removal was not in error. His removal to El Salvador was in error because he was claiming asylum under the premise that he feared violence from a rival gang. Lets just begin there. using that as an asylum claim is not legitimate. So that makes the entire removal to El Salvador being illegal null and void.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:25 pm to Indefatigable
You might be right.
But I doubt the sort of illegality the District Courts have been engaged in: illegal jurisdiction claims, overstepping the separation of powers, etc. would be stopped or even slowed down had the Administration given an inch on this case.
But I doubt the sort of illegality the District Courts have been engaged in: illegal jurisdiction claims, overstepping the separation of powers, etc. would be stopped or even slowed down had the Administration given an inch on this case.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:28 pm to JimEverett
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had the Administration given an inch on this case.
I just meant do it right the first time. Obey the order and appeal it, and win. Then to CECOT he goes. The admin is great on policy. But implementation always seems impulsive and half-baked
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the executive is defying a supreme court order then they are acting like they are above their co-equal branch in government.
And if they succumb to the Supreme court's insanity they aren't co equal either.
The way this works is the Supreme Court offers opinion (that word choice is not accidental) the executive either respects or rejects that opinion and executes accordingly.
The executive is then accountable through impeachment or election. This ultimately puts the judgement in the people. Same for the judges, they can be impeached.
That's our government.
For example, Mississippi ignored court opinion and the executive chose to enforce biracial school enrollment and suffer the political support or fallout from that action. Ultimately it was supported.
Where we are is two laws contradict each other, the executive has one opinion and the judicial another. The executive will decide the course and suffer the political consequences.
Perhaps our country would prefer we suffer poor rulings to keep a norm, perhaps in this case not.
We'll see.
You are arguing that oligarchy (scotus) is inherently more just than monarchy (executive). Thats wrong. It depends on the oligarchy or the monarchy. It also isn't our form of government either way.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:29 pm to Lsut81
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Come the frick on... You know if Trump said "Hey, we will pay for you to fly him back to us and then we will ship him somewhere else" the El Salvadorian President would.
Correct
Otherwise the argument is Trump is Bukele's bitch
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:32 pm to Bunk Moreland
GFY, Bunk is just that, shitty crap that nobody cares for. Damn, you are terrible at this!
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This is a very stupid hill for them to die on
Regardless of what the courts are doing, this is a Trump victory.
No one gives a shite about this guy.This is a major PR win, the gift that keeps on giving.
Trump was elected on this.
There is only one group dying on hills, and it’s not the republicans.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:36 pm to Turbeauxdog
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The way this works is the Supreme Court offers opinion (that word choice is not accidental) the executive either respects or rejects that opinion and executes accordingly.
No.
This hasn't been in dispute since Marbury v. Madison
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:37 pm to Indefatigable
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I just meant do it right the first time. Obey the order and appeal it, and win. Then to CECOT he goes. The admin is great on policy. But implementation always seems impulsive and half-baked

Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:37 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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No one gives a shite about this guy.This is a major PR win, the gift that keeps on giving.
Lots of people care if the admin is seen as ignoring court orders. That's the main story
The only people who give a shite about this guy, individually, are MAGA
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:41 pm to Bunk Moreland
It's literally just muh fight nonsense
They're addicted to the dopamine hits from the macho projection.
They're addicted to the dopamine hits from the macho projection.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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This hasn't been in dispute since Marbury v. Madison
Marbury vs Madison is in dispute to this day and it didn't change anything I discussed.
This post was edited on 4/17/25 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
It's literally just muh fight nonsense
You're addicted "muh norm" nonsense around institutions that aren't worth caring about norms.
You're addicted "muh norm" nonsense around institutions that aren't worth caring about norms.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:46 pm to Bunk Moreland
Could we deport these people too?

Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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They're addicted to the dopamine hits from the macho projection.
Rather that than knowing beyond all doubt that there’s a complete omission of any semblance of “macho” in myself, and having to hide the depraved anguish it’s caused me. Since you mentioned it.
Posted on 4/17/25 at 7:46 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Marbury vs Madison is in dispute to this day
By whom, exactly?
Moonbats?
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