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re: AP: memo authorizes ICE to enter homes by force without a judicial warrant

Posted on 1/21/26 at 6:21 pm to
Posted by AquaAg84
Member since May 2013
3871 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 6:21 pm to
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AP should be embarrassed for posting this act of yellow journalism.


They should also be embarrassed for promoting the elimination of the oxford comma.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
14808 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 6:28 pm to
[quote]The memo authorizes ICE officers to use force to enter a residence based solely on a more narrow administrative warrant to arrest someone with a final order of remova[/quote]

Final order of removal means an immigration judge has already stated the case to stay has failed and they are OKed to be deported. So now they are just avoiding the judges order and ICE has direction to proceed with deportation.
Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
3188 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 6:34 pm to
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4t Ammendment shite fascinates me and i spent alot of time learning both sides.


You need to spend more time then.

LE may enter a home with an arrest warrant, but they must only search for the person who is the subject of the warrant and where a person can reasonably be. Nothing beyond that. Evidence in plain view is still on the table, but they need an actual search warrant to search further.

In a 3rd party's home, they generally need a search warrant to enter and search for the subject of the arrest warrant (whose home it is not).

There are exceptions, of course, depending on certain details.
Posted by da foozball
Member since Nov 2012
779 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 6:36 pm to
Sorry your candidate lost
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102652 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 6:47 pm to
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The 4th Amendment still applies to ICE


Does it apply to game wardens? Because they can enter without a warrant and no probable cause
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
2392 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 6:48 pm to
Only in "open fields" not someone's house
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
13143 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 6:49 pm to
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"open fields"


Wrong
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
2392 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 6:51 pm to
No, I am not wrong. Absent exigent circumstances a game warden needs a warrant to enter a house, period.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
13143 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 6:54 pm to
You said "open fields" thats wrong.
Posted by Sizzle_DAWG
Sanford Stadium
Member since Jan 2024
2232 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 6:56 pm to
One could argue that we’re at war with the Marxist left, or more accurately, they’re at war with anyone that doesn’t adhere to their destructive ideology.

Their whole objective is to destroy us and eventually the constitution by using illegal immigration as a proxy.

During wars, the constitutional rights of the citizenry have been suspended in the past. There is precedence for this. Hell, Lincoln jailed journalists during the Civil War.
So no, it’s not ideal, but I’d rather have an executive cherry pick certain amendments temporarily to uproot a force that seeks to completely trash the constitution in the future.

Life is often not black and white, but smeared with a lot of gray.
This post was edited on 1/21/26 at 6:57 pm
Posted by JimEverett
Member since May 2020
2392 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 6:57 pm to
Under 4th amendment law the state can enter private property that is "open fields" it is a well known doctrine. Some states, like my state Tennessee, has greater protection than the federal 4th amendment.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
39571 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 7:13 pm to
That's a direct violation of the constitution.

Weird how the only way we can take care of the immigration problem is by violating everyone's rights and suspending the constitution.



Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476570 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 7:15 pm to
quote:

One could argue that we’re at war with the Marxist left,

Not if they want to be taken seriously.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476570 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 7:16 pm to
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Sorry your candidate lost


I bet you can't name my candidate
Posted by texag7
College Station
Member since Apr 2014
41304 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 7:19 pm to
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I bet you can't name my candidate


Given your ego, you probably wrote yourself
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
45551 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 7:21 pm to
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What could possibly go wrong?


Don’t worry cubbies none of the ICE agents want to enter you or your home.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
44412 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 7:25 pm to
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Good


35 upvotes. I bet 90% are MIGA boomer "conservatives" as well.

MuH voted for him 3 times!
Posted by Sizzle_DAWG
Sanford Stadium
Member since Jan 2024
2232 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 7:26 pm to
Do better. At least give me a solid rebuttal. I know how much you like to argue.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
42232 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 7:32 pm to
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Only in "open fields" not someone's house


Bull fricking shite!!

I had fed game wardens check my freezers, the shop and a tractor.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476570 posts
Posted on 1/21/26 at 7:33 pm to
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Do better. At least give me a solid rebuttal.

Your premise was absurd.

There is no solid rebottle to absurdity.

So my comment remains. A person who wants to be taken serious would never try to make that argument.
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