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Posted on 2/16/22 at 7:48 am to UnitedFruitCompany
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If people actually knew what happened to the signers of the declaration of independence....
Why don’t you go ahead and tell us
Posted on 2/16/22 at 7:51 am to Mr. Hangover
Most met bad ends. They lost their fortunes, their families, and their lives.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 7:56 am to Lima Whiskey
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If you look at what happened to America after WW2, and at what we’ve become. Then we absolutely lost WW2.
The same could be said about 9/11 and the "war on terror".
Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:04 am to Lima Whiskey
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If you look at what happened to America after WW2, and at what we’ve become. Then we absolutely lost WW2.
This doesn’t make sense. We absolutely won it. You’re just confused about what we actually stood and stand for.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:09 am to keks tadpole
I am a student of history and was considering going to college for a history degree. I will say that I have learned so much about suppressed history since leaving school. People think it would be difficult to fake or alter historical refrences, but accounts are usually second hand accounts pieced together from different resources. Hell, everything we know about Rome was based on the Ab Urbe Condita Libri, which was written 200 years after the events it chronicled. That would be like me writing about the events of the American Revolution based on what I had heard of snippets of what I had read from somewhere and writing the definitive book that all of American history was based on in 2000 years.
Historical works are often written with prejudice, as the conquered want the account to be something out of their control and the conquerors want to sound noble. Throw in how governments all the way back to the Egyptians would control and even remove entire narratives from their official records.
You should be skeptical of everything you learn about history. Not saying it is a lie, but most of history is just someone's version of their truth.
Historical works are often written with prejudice, as the conquered want the account to be something out of their control and the conquerors want to sound noble. Throw in how governments all the way back to the Egyptians would control and even remove entire narratives from their official records.
You should be skeptical of everything you learn about history. Not saying it is a lie, but most of history is just someone's version of their truth.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:11 am to TigerNlc
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Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:13 am to TigerNlc
I was fortunate to go to private school. I’m sure we still had some watered down history, but based on my college courses back in the 90s I know we were taught things that government schools didn’t teach.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:17 am to WallsAllAroundMe
Was Patton right?


Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:17 am to TigerNlc
It's not like there is really a ton of history taught in school to begin with
Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:19 am to LookSquirrel
Patton was absolutely right and it is the reason he was assassinated. Once he obtained victory in Europe, he was going to be a huge problem for the Allies. Hell, he wanted to rearm the German POWs and march on Russia.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:23 am to TigerNlc
I can give an example. In public school growing up we were taught that FDR and his great new deal were the bee’s knee’s. When in fact most of not all of the new deals programs were eventually ruled unconstitutional.
Another example. I was taught Abe Lincoln was a Democrat throughout school until college history classes
Another example. I was taught Abe Lincoln was a Democrat throughout school until college history classes
This post was edited on 2/16/22 at 8:25 am
Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:31 am to TigerNlc
Yes.
I’m a Gen Xer - and my generation was not faced with the current level of CRT nonsense in education, but we were educated by baby boomer hippies.
I realized the depths of the problems with what I learned in my formal education (university included) when I started reading about Joseph McCarthy. The dude was defamed precisely bc he was correct. The State Dept is infiltrated with communists or communist sympathizers, and academia, entertainment and “journalism” are infiltrated with their fellow travelers.
I think the true levels of “spies” for communist regimes were probably somewhere in the 75-100 range with varying levels of knowledge about others.
I think the fellow travelers who indoctrinated everyone else were the true poison. Proof positive is the fake shite about 20th century history, and American history that they taught my generation. It’s all based on the false premise that self assurance and self determination are evil and bad. That shite is a recipe for societal rot bc it robs people of their individual agency and makes them controllable.
We see the effects still today. Marxists are excellent brainwashers. Precisely bc the entire ideology makes people lose their psychological boundaries. They’re either victims or narcissistic - so either way their problems, and societal ills are somebody else’s fault, and someone else’s problem to fix.
McCarthy was right.
I’m a Gen Xer - and my generation was not faced with the current level of CRT nonsense in education, but we were educated by baby boomer hippies.
I realized the depths of the problems with what I learned in my formal education (university included) when I started reading about Joseph McCarthy. The dude was defamed precisely bc he was correct. The State Dept is infiltrated with communists or communist sympathizers, and academia, entertainment and “journalism” are infiltrated with their fellow travelers.
I think the true levels of “spies” for communist regimes were probably somewhere in the 75-100 range with varying levels of knowledge about others.
I think the fellow travelers who indoctrinated everyone else were the true poison. Proof positive is the fake shite about 20th century history, and American history that they taught my generation. It’s all based on the false premise that self assurance and self determination are evil and bad. That shite is a recipe for societal rot bc it robs people of their individual agency and makes them controllable.
We see the effects still today. Marxists are excellent brainwashers. Precisely bc the entire ideology makes people lose their psychological boundaries. They’re either victims or narcissistic - so either way their problems, and societal ills are somebody else’s fault, and someone else’s problem to fix.
McCarthy was right.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:33 am to Wednesday
McCarthy was absolutely right and I wish he had been more successful in purging America.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:37 am to Wednesday
And PS - at the time GenXers were learning about history in the early to mid 20th Century, it was more glossed over as current events.
In the 1970s as 1980s what happened in 1950s didn’t seem so long ago. The people teaching us lived thru it. So they were products of the political
Lens they were looking thru at the time. Imagine a college student now, teaching about Muh Drumpf in 30 yrs. The lessons will be distorted by what the MSM/Social Media selectively omitted.
That’s why what’s happening with social media is so dangerous. We will lose our history. And our ability to see all the facts. They will just be erased.
In the 1970s as 1980s what happened in 1950s didn’t seem so long ago. The people teaching us lived thru it. So they were products of the political
Lens they were looking thru at the time. Imagine a college student now, teaching about Muh Drumpf in 30 yrs. The lessons will be distorted by what the MSM/Social Media selectively omitted.
That’s why what’s happening with social media is so dangerous. We will lose our history. And our ability to see all the facts. They will just be erased.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:45 am to MrKnowItAll
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The one true fact dealing with History..... follow the money.
It uncovers and reveals.
This is well said. I would also add that another red flag is "ism." The moment you see these 3 letters in any fashion when dealing with history, like racism being the most (in)famous, then you immediately know that you're dealing with a system. A convoluted system that is designed to never be questioned or disputed with facts or science, only more money politics and power pumped into the system. Wash rinse repeat.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:48 am to WallsAllAroundMe
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However, today all we hear is that the Civil war was all about slavery and the south not wanting to give that up.
What nobody considers is that capitalism was destined to doom slavery one or two generations from the Civil War with the invention of mechanical farming equipment.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 8:51 am to TigerNlc
I picked up a set of 70s encyclopedias for this reason. Probably wouldn’t hurt to go back further.
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:32 am to saints5021
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You should be skeptical of everything you learn about history.
Yes. And you should be careful of who you've been told the good/bad guys were/are. If you ba your opinion on other people's 'research' or read 'history' books rather than seeing the true historic record, you'll never know the real story.
"The winners write the history books" and "The victor will never be asked if he told the truth."
Posted on 2/16/22 at 9:33 am to meeple
Hardcopies of the encyclopedias, world books and dictionaries are worth it as they cannot be surreptitiously edited and can be compared to previous editions.
And you own them vs the "rental" of books "purchased" online.
Wish i still had mine....
And you own them vs the "rental" of books "purchased" online.
Wish i still had mine....
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