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re: Anyone ever notice how they always produce docs on Hitler
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:04 pm to grizzlylongcut
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:04 pm to grizzlylongcut
Something that has been lost over time is that both the Nazi's and Bolsheviks are leftists.
The reason Nazi's are now considered "on the right" is because communism necessarily was based on globalism (COMINTERN) Nazi's were specifically nationalists, but from the left.
Because of that they were diametrically opposed. But not based on where they were on the political spectrum, but because the globalism of communism (by design) it was seen as expansionism by nationalists. One of the major complaints and diplomatic sources of friction post-WWI by the Germans continuing into Hitler's chancellorship was COMINTERN activities and the Bolsheviks active support of communists in Germany- again based on nationalism, not political leanings.
Both were racist as hell. The Nazi's were open racists and it was the basis of of Nazi, specifically, doctrine. But the Soviets were too. Their racism was more based on heritage/nationality because communism couldn't tolerate nationalism and non-conformism. One only has to look at the social engineering, resettlements (far exceeded the Nazis), and effects on non-Russian ethnicities to see it in the various oblasts; you just had to look past skin color to see that it was there.
The add to that the propaganda from WWII from the west... you couldn't very well frame your anti-Nazi propaganda on being against the left when:
A) FDR had very left leanings himself
B) your ally was Bolsheviks
Hence the idea that the Socialists in the NSDAP were actually right-wingers was born.
The reason Nazi's are now considered "on the right" is because communism necessarily was based on globalism (COMINTERN) Nazi's were specifically nationalists, but from the left.
Because of that they were diametrically opposed. But not based on where they were on the political spectrum, but because the globalism of communism (by design) it was seen as expansionism by nationalists. One of the major complaints and diplomatic sources of friction post-WWI by the Germans continuing into Hitler's chancellorship was COMINTERN activities and the Bolsheviks active support of communists in Germany- again based on nationalism, not political leanings.
Both were racist as hell. The Nazi's were open racists and it was the basis of of Nazi, specifically, doctrine. But the Soviets were too. Their racism was more based on heritage/nationality because communism couldn't tolerate nationalism and non-conformism. One only has to look at the social engineering, resettlements (far exceeded the Nazis), and effects on non-Russian ethnicities to see it in the various oblasts; you just had to look past skin color to see that it was there.
The add to that the propaganda from WWII from the west... you couldn't very well frame your anti-Nazi propaganda on being against the left when:
A) FDR had very left leanings himself
B) your ally was Bolsheviks
Hence the idea that the Socialists in the NSDAP were actually right-wingers was born.
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Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:04 pm to Gifman
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Lenin and Mao were responsible for FAR more deaths
Yes, but they cared more...
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:15 pm to FreddieMac
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That is because they do not understand what Nazi means. They should look at the second word in National Socialist German Workers' Party. I bet you most of the people that call people on the right Nazi do not understand that it is an ideology of the left, not right.
Its a bit more complicated that simply what's in the name. The National Socialist political philosophy was often incoherent and coming up with clear definitions is of is like nailing jelly to a wall. This is especially true when trying to define the socialist part which its goals were highly debated among the early leadership.
Hitler certainly differentiated his brand of socialism from Marx even in his early speeches.....here is one from the 1920's
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Thus we can see the two great differences between races: Aryanism means ethical perception of work and that which we today so often hear – socialism, community spirit, common good before own good. Jewry means egoistic attitude to work and thereby mammonism and materialism, the opposite of socialism. ... Socialism as the final concept of duty, the ethical duty of work, not just for oneself but also for one’s fellow man’s sake, and above all the principle: Common good before own good, a struggle against all parasitism and especially against easy and unearned income. And we were aware that in this fight we can rely on no one but our own people. We are convinced that socialism in the right sense will only be possible in nations and races that are Aryan, and there in the first place we hope for our own people and are convinced that socialism is inseparable from nationalism.
Hitler was already outlining what he saw as his own definition of socialism: socialism is a sober racial community in which class differences between Aryans have been erased without any recourse to class warfare.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:16 pm to grizzlylongcut
It's so true. And Hitlers Germany became the crown jewel of Europa prior to Barbarosa whereas Stalin decimated Russia and Ukraine and did very little to improve the lives of his citizens.
Hitler was popular enough at the height of his power to have been voted the most admired man in Europe if not the world (as well as Time "Man of the Year", etc).
Hitler was popular enough at the height of his power to have been voted the most admired man in Europe if not the world (as well as Time "Man of the Year", etc).
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:20 pm to Philzilla2k
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Well, Hitler is more interesting, so there is that.
Germany as a whole was fascinating during that time period. They took a country that was nothing and turned it into a superpower and with the quickness.
Russia is and always has been just a blob of nothingness that throws people at the problem. Its literally just a boring place.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:20 pm to SirWinston
Paramount + just released A Gentleman in Moscow. While a fictional show, it doesn’t paint the USSR in a good light at all.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:20 pm to grizzlylongcut
Anyone have the 4chan mein kampf audiobook that uses AI version of Emma Stone’s voice?
I’d be happy to kick you some coin for your troubles
I’d be happy to kick you some coin for your troubles
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:26 pm to ItNeverRains
Finishing up Darryl Cooper's "Gods Socialist"
To say its a great documentary is an understatement.
Boy this shows a lot about what was going on in the civil rights movement along with Jimmy boy turning into an outright Communist crazy man.
Hes a huge piece of human shite but his story is certainly one of a kind.
To say its a great documentary is an understatement.
Boy this shows a lot about what was going on in the civil rights movement along with Jimmy boy turning into an outright Communist crazy man.
Hes a huge piece of human shite but his story is certainly one of a kind.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:42 pm to grizzlylongcut
The Nazi's documented everything. It was ridiculous how much they did and so much of it caught on film. The Russians did not rely on film and Stalin did not document all that much. So much of the Russian actions during WwIi and before was merely suggested by Stalin and he left it to the local Soviets to conduct the details
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:49 pm to jizzle6609
Germany was left virtually unscathed after WWI. It possessed good infrastructure. The BEST rail system in Europe, if not the world. German industry was still intact....all they really needed was someone who would say frick you to the English and French. Once Hitler comes into focus, it was easy
To call them nothing is not anywhere near correct
To call them nothing is not anywhere near correct
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:53 pm to I20goon
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But the Soviets were too. Their racism was more based on heritage/nationality because communism couldn't tolerate nationalism and non-conformism.
The Bolsheviks hated the Russians and encouraged minority nationalism as a way to keep the ethnic Russians out of power. Under Stalin, they reversed that policy, communism was a flimsy thing to fight for, and so they pushed Russia nationalism through the war period.
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Something that has been lost over time is that both the Nazi's and Bolsheviks are leftists.
The Nazis, and Fascism in general, was anti communist movement. What it looked like varied from country to country, but it was the conservative forces in society, country people, the church, the aristocracy, trying to preserve traditional life from Communist destruction.
By our standard, it was an explicitly right wing movement. Although that distinction, left vs right, comes from the French Revolution, and I think we should reject falling into it. It’s represents a tacit acceptance of the ideas of the revolution. We should reject them.
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:56 pm to jizzle6609
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Darryl Cooper
Great American.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 3:59 pm to grizzlylongcut
The military channel had a series on Hitler, Mao and Stalin.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 4:02 pm to grizzlylongcut
Yeah, the mediots lean left so they don't want to go into the details of Stalin's mass murders, or Mao's or even Pol Pot's. Yet, we know every detail on Hitler down to his veggie diet and problems with gas.
Stalin's favorite dish was roast suckling pig. All of those pigs may have kept the world from suffering under more years of Stalin.
Stalin's favorite dish was roast suckling pig. All of those pigs may have kept the world from suffering under more years of Stalin.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 4:05 pm to grizzlylongcut
YouTube has several recent docs on each
Posted on 9/18/24 at 4:06 pm to ItNeverRains
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Anyone have the 4chan mein kampf audiobook that uses AI version of Emma Stone’s voice?
I've read Mein Kampf. It can get tedious, I can't imagine listening to it.
Although, if they did it in Hitler's voice it might be interesting.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 4:08 pm to Lima Whiskey
quote:That is contradictory to the evidence.
The Bolsheviks hated the Russians and encouraged minority nationalism as a way to keep the ethnic Russians out of power. Under Stalin, they reversed that policy, communism was a flimsy thing to fight for, and so they pushed Russia nationalism through the war period.
- Ukranian famine
- Kazakh famine
- deportations of Tartars from Tartarstan
- deportations of Crimean Tartars
- deportations of Cossacks
- dumping of non-Uzbeks in Uzbekistan
- deportations of Irananians from Turkmenistan
- Dividing up the Fergana valley to prevent nationalism
- Deportation of Volga Germans
- Deportation of Finns from Karelian peninsula
- Shipping native tribes from the Amur r. valley and Kolyma to the interior
- Concentration of ethnic Chinese away from Mongolia and the Siberian railway
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The Bolsheviks hated the Russians
- From it's inception to 1991 the politburo was made up of 79% Russians, Ukrainians, and Georgians. The other 21% were Uzbek, Tartar, Tajik, Chechen, Azerbaijani, Armenian, Turkmen, Belarussian, Estonian, Latvian, Kyrg, Lithiuanian, and Moldavian
- The seats of power were always in the Russian oblast.
- All directorates, headquarters, and departments were located in Russia oblast.
Posted on 9/18/24 at 4:10 pm to bluestem75
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Paramount + just released A Gentleman in Moscow. While a fictional show, it doesn’t paint the USSR in a good light at all.
Mate I watched that (book was better as always) and was LOLing at not one but TWO interracial relationships that the Globalist film producers injected into the plot between blonde redheaded Russians and Africans in the early 1900's Moscow.
This post was edited on 9/18/24 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 9/18/24 at 5:06 pm to grizzlylongcut
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