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re: Anybody else woke up with uneasy feeling in stomach? Re Taliban

Posted on 8/14/21 at 9:27 am to
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
16958 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 9:27 am to
I certainly hope all the Americans, civilian and military, get out of there safely but the truth is the Taliban are more decent and honorable people than the left wingers here in America are. At least they are loyal to their own, a left winger would stab a fellow countryman in the back faster than you could blink.

And their leaders are better people than that bullshite excuse of a human being pedophile bastard president we currently have.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109722 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 9:29 am to
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In fact if anyone got fricked over in that particular instance, it was ultimately ourselves.


Therein lies my point. These people are just going back to doing what they always did. I don’t see how that equates to fricking THEM over really.
Posted by AURaptor
South
Member since Aug 2018
11958 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 9:39 am to
Thanks for the link. Not seeing cost to the tax payer, but I did find this timely.

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Current Projects:
25 MW Herat Wind Farm
Salang Tunnel Substation
Afghanistan Infrastructure Trust Fund (AITF)
U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) Water Supply Data Monitoring and Analysis
10 MW Kandahar Solar Power Plant
Rural Water, Sanitation and Hygiene
Engineering Support Program (ESP)
Kabul Urban Water Supply
Power Transmission Expansion and Connectivity (PTEC) Project
Regional Water Management Forum (RWMF)


All stopped this summer, I assume. And I wonder how much , if not all , of these projects will actively been torn down, blown up, and utterly dismantled by the Taliban with in a few months.

Bravo.

We meant well, at least. And that's what really counts!
Posted by MAADFACTS
Member since Jul 2021
1410 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 9:47 am to
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What specifically did we do to “frick them over”?


The Afghans? Seriously? The Mujahideen->Taliban pipeline was built on our wallet.

I mean ...


Kind of. It was mostly because during the Soviet invasion we just wanted to kill as many Russian soldiers as possible, and didn’t give a shite about who won. There are tons of ethnic groups and religious variants among the afghan people. We let Pakistan’s ISI basically have a blank check by the American government and they mostly armed and trained Pashtuns in the south. They also invited the Wahhabists into the region when they previously hadn’t existed, including Bin Laden. They did a lot of fighting in the south and sometimes massacred local Afghans for being Sufists and idolatrous. The Taliban has existed for a thousand years. The Taliban as it currently exists was invented in the late 70s and early 80s by Saudi clerics.

The only hope Afghanistan would have ever had was probably more American direct interference back then, making sure money got to the Tajiks and the Uzbeks fighting in yhe north. But hindsight is 20/20 and we didn’t know then what we know now and there’s really no material reason to be in Afghanistan. Sometimes a clusterfrick is just a clusterfrick
This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 4:59 pm
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62602 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 10:04 am to
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But NO DISHONOR on their valorous service. Many were heroic in ways that they would have never been in 9-5 job.
Preach. Taliban isn’t taking over because e military failed to do its job. They are taking over because the politicians failed to do their jobs.
Posted by jackamo3300
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2004
2901 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 10:27 am to
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Frick OBAMA and all the LEFTIST shite stains that voted these freedom hating socislists into office. If you voted for these people and do not regret it, you are a traitor and a tyrant. America is done unless there is a military uprising in our own country, it has simply gone too far. THE marxists are out of the closet and we are the pawns.


Notice how nothing changes under leftist administrations.

Should we not anticipate a repeat of what went on as a result of the Obama canonization.

When Obama was firmly settled in, that's when the true, authentic muslims made their move and began to assert themselves.

ISIS the JV team attempted to upstage the Taliban when it came to dehumanizing atrocities perpetrated upon those who couldn't fight back.

Then the unsettling images began like the picture of that girl who couldn't have been more than five years of age laying there on that mud floor dressed in what for her modest existence would be her Sunday raiments, without her head.

Then began the spate of beheadings, defenestrations, shootings, drownings, burnings.

Then after a particularly successful, but stressful, campaign of mutilations and killings by ISIS we'd be treated to those long convoys with trucks and other vehicles sporting the ISIS flags which always looked as though they needed a real cleaning in a modern washer.

The convoys seemed to go on for miles.

Yet, considering what the paraders were just involved in, you mean the Obama administration didn't have one or two AC-130 gunships to start at each end of the convoy and waste it.

Now after losing all that blood and capital in Afghanistan, we're forced to sit back and watch the Taliban march seemingly unopposed to Kabul to realize what they've always considered their rightful place as warlords over the entire country.

How long will it be until we see a reprise of the beheadings of helpless victims, the mutilations, the stoning of women, the burnings, the drownings we were treated to under the Obama regime.

Many of them done in huge stadiums as though the dehumanizing of people were a sport.

Will we go through this insult again with the new leftist administration's inaction while innocents are being savaged.

A type of resistance that wouldn't have to involve ground troops but could cut a swath through the new Taliban/ISIS collaboration that is sure to form.

With the accompanying victory "convoys" just begging for gunship, predator, Hellfire involvement, and ever so often a MOAB for additional withering psychological effect.



This post was edited on 8/14/21 at 10:44 am
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
Undisclosed Secure Location
Member since Feb 2008
23857 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 10:38 am to
Add to all that having a son in country already and you get to where I’m at right now.

This is such a BS move all because Biden’s weakness and worry about 1/6 insurrections when the real problem lives in DC.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
116746 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 10:49 am to
Not upsetting to me because I knew it was doomed 20 years ago. People have been trying to civilize Afghanistan for centuries. It cannot be done.
Posted by Dday63
Member since Sep 2014
2393 posts
Posted on 8/14/21 at 11:07 am to
We had to go in. When the towers fell, Bin Laden was a marked man and the whole world knew it. It was so clear we had to go in that Russia let us use an air base, and Iran introduced us to tribal leaders. Anyone who claims we shouldn't have been there just doesn't remember why we went.

But it should have just been a surgical strike. Find and kill Bin Laden. Kill any Taliban that stand in the way. Leave when mission accomplished.

Bin Laden was hoping for the opposite. The whole point of 9/11 was to drag the US into a protracted, and unwinnable, land war in Afghanistan. In turn, the US aggression was expected to unite the Muslim world against the West, and restore the Caliphate.

I'm glad the latter didn't happen, but I wish we had stuck with the original plan. Get in, get out. The longer we stayed, the worse it got.
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