re: Anti-Spanking PSA on the radio

At first, I was wondering what this thread was doing on the PoliBoard. Then I read the replies. It's a pretty fitting allegory.

People who have spanked their kids are (from my observation) using this as a "last resort" issue. In my house, it took once or maybe twice for it to actually happen, then it was always just the thought. Even when it did, the mental part of anticipation was 90% of the effectiveness. NOT ALL PEOPLE WHO ADVOCATE FOR IT ARE USING IT ALL THE TIME, and many almost never do. (Neither of my kids is a messed up malcontent, yet both knew that option was out there. Can't recall ever actually using it.)

People who don't spank will often have kids where it is simply not necessary. For reasons as varied as where they live and the biochemistry of the kid's brain, corporal punishment was never required. Yay for them. Unfortunately, there are plenty of others where their kids have been allowed to raise hell their whole lives and nothing negative came of it.

Guess what: The kids with behavior issues are usually a product of bad or inattentive parenting itself, regardless of how spanking was mixed in.

Nevertheless, this conversation quickly became an "all or none" discussion with no middle ground. Just like politics. Look at one factor, and ignore the bigger picture.

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Spanking is associated with misbehavior? Yeah no shite. That's the point.

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leads to more misbehavior as opposed to smarter and educated parenting. Fact.

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Whew. That was close. I thought we were talking about something else.

I was figuring, "Well, with all the other shite going on, that seems harmless enough."

Close call. Carry on.

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leads to more misbehavior as opposed to smarter and educated parenting. Fact.

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Not with my kids.

It's got more to do with consistency and a clear understanding of what they did wrong and why (and then following it up with positive interaction) than simply spanking. Many people hit their kids out of anger and don't thoroughly explain why the kids are being punished, and yes, that can lead to more misbehavior.

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Not with my kids

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I don’t doubt that at all. And that holds true for many, many. I was merely pointing out what the data shows as a whole.

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Hey mensa, I'm already educated enough to understand that even IF someone was able to do a tightly controlled, one-variable experiment with raising children, which has never happened and never will, what constitutes good or poor parenting skills is an opinion, not a fact.

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So smoking does not increase the risk of lung cancer? There have been no tightly controlled one variable experiments with that either.
Like I said, educate yourself on the data.

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I don’t doubt that at all. And that holds true for many, many. I was merely pointing out what the data shows as a whole.

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I think this is more of a correlation != causation things. There is a lot more that goes into effective discipline than simply whether or not physical pain is being administered.

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You're a soft little bitch.

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Got to love me some internet badasses

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I absolutely understand it and and well-versed in it. I suppose all the pediatricians and a child psychologists and psychiatrists are wrong, including the psychologists who do research in this very specific area .

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And they're all in complete agreement with what constitutes poor parenting, right? That's an objective fact in your world? No room for disagreement, such as what we've seen in this thread?

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Spanking is associated with misbehavior? Yeah no shite. That's the point.
leads to more misbehavior as opposed to smarter and educated parenting. Fact.

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You know it’s funny. People who hold this increasingly common anti spanking position always like to act like they are smarter and more evolved yet I watch our society become more and more deviant and weaker.