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re: Annual "what did I do wrong to get punished?" thread re: ACA

Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:32 pm to
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:32 pm to
Bama ignores the reality that my premium has TRIPLED since 2008.

He does not care.

He must be a provider or a bought and paid for democrat politician.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481222 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:37 pm to
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No, from what you paid in 2017. There was always going to be a jump as EHBs kicked in, and likely more as the markets stabilized. Next year was going to be a very stable year compared to 2017, then Republicans happened.

so you're already setting this baseilne as a dishonest number, when it should be $150/mo

even though you're attempting to use propaganda, it won't work b/c you're missing the piont of this thread. this isn't a "one off". i've been making a version of this thread almost every year since 2013. i posted the last 2 in OP. that initial increase matters. a ton

hell even if the ACA "stabilized", any increase would be exponential after that initial rate shock

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Do you think the denominator of people who would be helping you to pay it is smaller as all US taxpayers, or Louisiana residents on the individual health exchange market?

that's literally irrelevant

this thread is about me, a person who has by most measures overcome adversity and low SES to make something of himself...the story you want people to follow, being punished (by having more of my property taken from me).the truly irrational part of that punishment is that it's largely mandated by this law/policy to subsidize the healthcare costs of people who didn't work nearly as hard as i did and made multitudes more sub-optimal choices

what is rational about this system?

what is rational about making me pay almost a mortgage payment per month for health insurance that i can use? you know what that does? it means that i can't invest in my future by paying an ACTUAL mortgage. again, punished

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The structure is to provide health insurance to the largest number of people at the lowest cost in total,

by redistributing wealth according to the policy valuations made. those valuations are based in punishing people of my age/economic status to subsidize others (older people, people who chose not to buy health insurance previously but still enjoy health care, and a small population of people with PECs who weren't on an employer plan)

you can try to lie all that you want, and it's still a lie

i'll put it another way. if there were no cost subsidies and no medicaid expansion, would i be paying more or less than i am now (in taxes and premium increases)?
Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2010
27252 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:42 pm to
of course I didnt accept. I banded together with a bunch of like minded people and got things changed. You can do the same.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481222 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:43 pm to
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of course I didnt accept. I banded together with a bunch of like minded people and got things changed. You can do the same.

oh you mean just like me making this thread?

ok

got it
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
151595 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:50 pm to
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SlowFlowPro
Im so proud of how far you’ve come from your early prog filth days
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481222 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 1:54 pm to
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Im so proud of how far you’ve come from your early prog filth days


quote:

Member since Sep 2007


Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41888 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:34 pm to
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BamaAtl



progressives are allowed to have failed policies - this is clearly one.

when you argue in favor of something that is such an abomination it makes the entire movement look foolish
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481222 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:39 pm to
Bama is about to call your Bernie-loving arse a Republican
Posted by GeauxLax
Roswell, GA
Member since Apr 2016
288 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:49 pm to
I'm in similar position. Plan is up "only" 18% this year.

No PPO/POS plans available, only HMO. I'm in Cobb County GA

My wife's doctor not in HMO. My kids pediatrician not in HMO.

Costs have more than doubled since 2013 for me.

Burn it down and start over
Posted by GoCrazyAuburn
Member since Feb 2010
41861 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 2:52 pm to
My Company's plan was set to go up 65% next year (United). It was a pretty strong plan that I was confident they under-priced when they presented it to us, so I wasn't surprised. Going to BCBS next year, around 20% increase I believe, but there is some dropoffs in coverage.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61734 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:06 pm to
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what, exactly, did i do wrong?
Being born white is pretty damn bad. I would suggest you check all your privilege
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61734 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:12 pm to
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The structure is to provide health insurance to the largest number of people at the lowest cost in total
So it is cheaper in total? So for every SFP that is taking it straight up the arse, there are many paying less?

So if SFP did nothing wrong to be punished, what did these lucky folks do right to get to enjoy the fruits of SFP's success.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61734 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 3:14 pm to
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My Company's plan was set to go up 65% next year (United). It was a pretty strong plan that I was confident they under-priced when they presented it to us, so I wasn't surprised. Going to BCBS next year, around 20% increase I believe, but there is some dropoffs in coverage.
I am 48. I have had my own household for 26 years. I have never even thought about HC costs as something I need to worry about. The last four years HC has become a major pain in my arse. I pay a shitload more for a shitload less.

Anyone that supports this bullshite is a lunatic.
Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2010
27252 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:02 pm to
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oh you mean just like me making this thread?


Actually, no. I did a LOT more than bitch about it on here. I attended countless rallies, two marches in Washington, contacted my member of Congress, and other members of Congress. I also gave a LOT of $$$ over the course of 10 years or so fighting for it. You can do the same if you really want to change this. Or you can do nothing and wait until next year and post this thread again.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481222 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:04 pm to
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, no. I did a LOT more than bitch about it on here.

unless you did something to sway Anthony Kennedy, you didn't actually do anything for national recognition of SSM

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I attended countless rallies, two marches in Washington, contacted my member of Congress, and other members of Congress.

accomplished as much as this thread (not much at all)

Posted by Toddy
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2010
27252 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:08 pm to
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unless you did something to sway Anthony Kennedy, you didn't actually do anything for national recognition of SSM


meh, the Supreme Court needed to see a groundswell of support along with multiple states recognizing it, which they did. Without that, I don't think they would have ever legalized that. Anyone that was connected to this movement will tell you the same. A lot of the momentum goes back to NY state legalizing in the 2011. This provided the impetus for Maryland, Maine, Washington, and Rhode Island. The rest is history.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24279 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:10 pm to
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meh, the Supreme Court needed to see a groundswell of support along with multiple states recognizing it, which they did. Without that, I don't think they would have ever legalized that. Anyone that was connected to this movement will tell you the same


Good to know you all admit the ruling had nothing to do with law and everything to do with muh feelings
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481222 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:13 pm to
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meh, the Supreme Court needed to see a groundswell of support along with multiple states recognizing it,

that's not how this works, bro

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Without that, I don't think they would have ever legalized that.

if this is true, then you're just arguing that the decision they made was thew wrong one, legally

yo do realize that, right?

you're arguing they ruled for the more popular and not the legally correct, decision

Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
24279 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:18 pm to
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if this is true, then you're just arguing that the decision they made was thew wrong one, legally

yo do realize that, right?

you're arguing they ruled for the more popular and not the legally correct, decision



He just invalidated his movement.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481222 posts
Posted on 11/2/17 at 6:18 pm to
i predict some "living document" claims shortly
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