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re: Angola Inmates File Lawsuit Over "Dangerous" Conditions

Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:17 pm to
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
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Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:17 pm to
Any facts in your dissertation prep to back up your claim?
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
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Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:17 pm to
Tell us what level 4 prisons are for, and what percentage of Angola inmates are serving life sentences. Show us something.
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
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Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:17 pm to
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Not everyone in Angola is a violent felon.


How many are there for non-violent offenses? You don’t know or otherwise you wouldn’t have asked me. Without even looking, I’d wager it’s the overwhelming majority of prisoners incarcerated there.

The percentages don’t matter to your contrarian logic anyway, because you feel sorry for everyone there and don’t think they should have to perform hard labor, regardless of what crimes they committed to get there.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
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Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:18 pm to
Oh now you did it

Posted by Suntiger
STG or BR or somewhere else
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Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:20 pm to
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So a guy doing two years in minimum is moved for no reason to a max?


Wow! So much wrong in this thread. DOC doesn’t really have max or min prisons. They have different levels of security at all facilities. Guys will move around as they get different jobs, reach different levels, and they move guys around so they don’t become too familiar with an area. That includes moving them from Angola to Hunt to Wade and moving them from Camp A to Camp C, etc.


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they volunteer to work vs being inside


They don’t really volunteer. They are assigned to work the fields. That’s usually where they start and move up to other jobs like tier walker, janitor, custodian, painter, cook, etc.
But yes, most prefer to work in the field and make some money instead of being inside with no money and no upward mobility.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:21 pm to
It varies. The population at any prison in Louisiana changes constantly. Prisoners are shuffled around the state to prevent prison gangs from forming, and to maintain order. I’m not privy to the exact number of inmates and all their convictions at a given prison on a given day, nor would I want to keep up with that data.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
Member since Oct 2012
90593 posts
Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:22 pm to
Gangs you say?

Sounds mostly peaceful.
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
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Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:24 pm to
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...... seems pretty inhumane to me.


If the crime is inhumane, the punishment must be inhumane!! Working in heat is not inhumane. People have been doing it forever.
Posted by Socrates Johnson
Madisonville
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:25 pm to
If you really want to control that place, you should air condition half of it.
Posted by TDTOM
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Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:26 pm to
Sherriff Arpaio had it right.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
16110 posts
Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:32 pm to
Holy shite. This has been nearly your schtick in any thread you've posted on today.

71% of inmates in Angola are serving life sentences. Level 4, maximum security prisons, at least on the Federal Level, are used, based on a number of factors, for those serving 30+ year sentences, or those whose case reviews meet certain criteria, including violence, education level, etc.

I wish I could give you the state definition, but there are currently 19 Louisiana agencies which are partially or totally offline. But I haven't been working on a goddamned dissertation, that's just what it took me ten minutes to find.
Posted by BayouBengal21
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2019
711 posts
Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:36 pm to
Well for one the 8th Amendment speaks on “cruel and unusual punishment” and was ratified in 1791.

I’d refer you to the case Wilson v. Seiter, 501 U.S. 294, where the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a defendant charging cruel and unusual punishment as a result of his prison conditions must prove a culpable state of mind on the part of prison officials.

The Court maintained that deliberate indifference is the appropriate mental standard to apply to eighth amendment cases.

Intelligent people should understand that the US constitution does not “mandate comfortable prisons, and only those deprivations denying the minimal civilized measure of life’s necessities are sufficiently grave to form the basis of an 8th Amendment violation” Rhodes v. Chapman, 452 U.S. 337, 69 L. Ed. 2d 59, 101 S. Ct. 2392 (1981).

You show yourself an idiot if you believe the courts only have revisionist history.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61388 posts
Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:38 pm to
Why are you so upset? I’m totally fine with you wasting, er spending your time googling to disagree with me. I didn’t realize my posts had so much influence over you.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:39 pm to
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They volunteer to work fields while an armed guard on horseback points a rifle at them?

Actually, yes. It gets them outside and gives them something to do.

However, they are still humans and have a human right to safety while working and while in the jail. If it’s 100+ degrees, whether inside or outside (actually both at Angola), then water and rest time should be mandatory. You can’t kill them.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61388 posts
Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:40 pm to
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and gives them something to do.


More evidence that you don’t know anything about Angola or DOC.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
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Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:41 pm to
Oh thank God you're fine with facts!
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:41 pm to
Here’s a fact. Angola isn’t the only state prison that houses inmates serving life sentences.
Posted by Jbird
Shoot the tires out!
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90593 posts
Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:42 pm to
No shite! Man your dissertation will clearly be impressive!
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:45 pm to
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More evidence that you don’t know anything about Angola or DOC.

I don’t get into arguments about what or who i know. Let’s just say that Ive been to the rodeo more than most and leave it at that.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
61388 posts
Posted on 9/17/23 at 6:45 pm to
It’s not even worth it. I forgot that the majority of posters here already know everything. And if you encounter something you don’t know, a ten minute google search will make you an expert.
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