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Posted on 2/8/26 at 11:24 am to 4cubbies
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They are paid market rates to do this work
Inmates at Angola are never going to get paid market rates. You’re living on fantasy Island with Mr Roarke and Tattoo.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 11:48 am to 4cubbies
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You would be mistaken. That’s what sparked the 2023 class action lawsuit. Inmates said water to drink was dirty and full of insects. They had to work in extreme heat, etc.
I would have to do a bit of checking, but I would believe that even inmate workers should fall under OSHA guidelines. If they do not, they should and if the conditions were as they claimed, they should have a case.
Water breaks(with electrolites) an area outside of heat to cool off, climate acclimation periods, and even work stoppage at the peak periods are all things OSHA calls for.
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It’s the farm line that they are alleging is inhumane - or certain aspects of the farm
Aware. As I said, would be interested in the outcome. Conditions, from a climate perspective only, mirror paid labor in the area.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 11:52 am to lsufan1971
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Inmates at Angola are never going to get paid market rates.
I wouldn’t expect them to. I’m not the one justifying their conditions by comparing them to free people.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 12:07 pm to UtahCajun
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I would have to do a bit of checking, but I would believe that even inmate workers should fall under OSHA guidelines.
They may. It would make sense that they would.
I think guidelines just weren’t being upheld or adhered to.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 12:18 pm to lsufan1971
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I would bet than less than 5% of inmates were first time offenders.
This demonstrates the colossal failure that is our penal system. It’s just catch and release.
quote:100%. All research supports this. I wouldn’t consider working on the farm line to be a “program for inmates” though.
I will say that having programs for the inmates helps keep violence down.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 12:23 pm to 4cubbies
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This demonstrates the colossal failure that is our penal system. It’s just catch and release.
Some percentage of any given population are bad, irredeemably bad.
It's interesting you think it is a failure of our penal system, when the penal system is the last stop on the convict's road to failure.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 12:53 pm to 4cubbies
Judicial activism all the way around. Thank you Barack Hussein Obama.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 1:22 pm to 4cubbies
It’s meant to punish people for an amount of time determined by the elected representatives of the people, and a jury of the accused’s peers. I’m sorry your education has been so fundamentally inadequate, professor.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 1:36 pm to SallysHuman
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It's interesting you think it is a failure of our penal system,
When an individual is in the care, custody and control of the government for extended periods of time and isn’t equipped with skills necessary to be a productive member of society, how can that be seen as anything other than a failure? The recidivism rates in this country are appalling.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 1:38 pm to 4cubbies
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When an individual is in the care, custody and control of the government for extended periods of time and isn’t equipped with skills necessary to be a productive member of society, how can that be seen as anything other than a failure?
It’s a failure of that individual.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 1:39 pm to 4cubbies
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When an individual is in the care, custody and control of the government for extended periods of time and isn’t equipped with skills necessary to be a productive member of society, how can that be seen as anything other than a failure?
What is government supposed to do to fix a broken person?
They are offered education, religion, libraries, work…
Again, some people are just bad.
How is that the Warden’s fault?
Posted on 2/8/26 at 1:42 pm to SallysHuman
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What is government supposed to do to fix a broken person?
Norway seems to have figured it out. We can start by treating them like actual humans.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 1:44 pm to 4cubbies
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Norway seems to have figured it out. We can start by treating them like actual humans.
Norway is not comparable to USA.
Other countries have also “figured out” reducing recidivism rates… you probably don’t want to discuss those.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 1:47 pm to 4cubbies
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Norway seems to have figured it out. We can start by treating them like actual humans.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 1:47 pm to SallysHuman
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Norway is not comparable to USA.
We shouldn’t try to adopt successful models because why, exactly? We are better off sticking to what we know doesn’t work because why, exactly?
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Other countries have also “figured out” reducing recidivism rates… you probably don’t want to discuss those.
Sure. What countries are you referring to?
Posted on 2/8/26 at 1:56 pm to 4cubbies
If I was doing 10 years, I feel like I’d rather spend it outside running a weed eater than sitting inside waiting for someone to try to stab me because I sat in the wrong chair or something.
This post was edited on 2/8/26 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 2/8/26 at 1:57 pm to 4cubbies
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We shouldn’t try to adopt successful models because why, exactly? We are better off sticking to what we know doesn’t work because why, exactly?
Their model works for them as they are a smaller, more hegemonic high trust society.
Singapore has a pretty strict, austere system and fairly low recidivism.
Posted on 2/8/26 at 2:02 pm to SallysHuman
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Their model works for them as they are a smaller, more hegemonic high trust society.
What part(s) of their model are you certain wouldn’t work in the USA?
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Singapore has a pretty strict, austere system and fairly low recidivism
Did they dramatically reduce recidivism rates like Norway or have they always had low recidivism rates?
Posted on 2/8/26 at 2:05 pm to 4cubbies
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What part(s) of their model are you certain wouldn’t work in the USA?
Our population is too great and is too diverse.
We have a crime problem in our country. And it’s not the fault of prisons.
As to Singapore, their recidivism rate used to be higher.
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