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re: An honest discussion about health care rationing
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:16 pm to olddawg26
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:16 pm to olddawg26
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Health care is a relatively new system. Socialized isn’t right but ours has issues too. A hybrid of the best ideas will eventually win out. A healthy discussion without accusing the others of communism is needed.
Sounds exactly like what a commie would say...
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:17 pm to TBoy
Lol, so we should accept "death panels" that those like you said did not exist and would not exist in the utopia of socialized medicine?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:18 pm to TBoy
Yes. All systems are rationed.
Private sector by price.
Public sector by the beaurocrat panels.
And the wealthy will always get what they need because they can fly whatever country they need to go to get it
Private sector by price.
Public sector by the beaurocrat panels.
And the wealthy will always get what they need because they can fly whatever country they need to go to get it
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:19 pm to olddawg26
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Yeah I said system in the same sentence you knew what I meant. I fully understand our care and facilities are the best in the world.
I was not criticizing you. You and everyone else, including myself, have been conditioned to use the term "Health Care" when talking about our coverage. What's the strategy of this? It's simple. We know it is flawed, so when we talk about it using "Care" we thus give a negative feeling in our hearts and minds of the health system overall, including the actual "care" part of it. It's a smart play, and we need to be conscious of it and fight against it.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:20 pm to TrueTiger
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And the wealthy will always get what they need because they can fly whatever country they need to go to get it
Unless they are in England, where they surround the patient with 30 cops to keep the family from taking him out of the hospital to seek treatment elsewhere. At no expense to England.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:22 pm to TBoy
Markets do not "ration" in the same sense the NHS is doing to Alfie.
Nobody is preventing, by law, americans from getting whatever care they want.
There is no entity in America that picks and chooses who gets what type of care.
Nobody is preventing, by law, americans from getting whatever care they want.
There is no entity in America that picks and chooses who gets what type of care.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:23 pm to TrueTiger
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And the wealthy will always get what they need because they can fly whatever country they need to go to get it
Evil Richers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:23 pm to TBoy
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But any honest discussion of the obligation to continue paying for life support has to acknowledge that under National Health or private insurance, the result would be the same.
Not all insurance is the same.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:24 pm to TBoy
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I’m not getting into the isssue in the Alphie case about travel to Italy, because if the family can do it at their expense or at some donor’s expense they should be able to do it, no question.
Why not? That’s the entire issue!
And while cost controls are a part of any system, there really is no debate when you look at quality of care and rationing on private vs public systems.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:26 pm to skrayper
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That said, the lifetime cap was $3 million dollars. Even at $150k per year, that would take 20 years.
You have a wildly inaccurate picture of how much ICU care costs in this country if you think it that cap would take 20 years to hit...
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:27 pm to BamaAtl
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BamaAtl
and you would happily take a spot on a govt death panel. be honest
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:27 pm to TBoy
You know an article or a thread is going to be a pile of hot air when it leads off with "an honest discussion".
Just like if someone ever says to you "to be honest" they are fixing to lie straight to your face.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:27 pm to TBoy
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I’m not getting into the isssue in the Alphie case about travel to Italy, because if the family can do it at their expense or at some donor’s expense they should be able to do it, no question.
Well to me this is the most frightening and cautionary aspect of it.
You have the government, with the power of the gun, telling them they CANNOT accept a pro bono flight to Italy.
That IS the biggest argument about government-run healthcare. Its one thing to disagree with Blue Cross, its another to have actual courts and police preventing you from taking your child out of the hospital.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:28 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Markets do not "ration" in the same sense the NHS is doing to Alfie.
They do. Care in the United States is rationed based on income / access to employer-based insurance / age.
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There is no entity in America that picks and chooses who gets what type of care.
Hellllooooo CMS...
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:31 pm to TBoy
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But any honest discussion of health care payment systems
The dimocratix have proven they don’t care to engage in an honest discussion. Y’all resort to, and depend on “lack of transparency,” “the stupidity of the American voter,” and “tortured” legal language.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:33 pm to BamaAtl
quote:What legal entity in America prevents an America from seeking the care they want? Give me an example of a type of care that I cannot LEGALLY seek to obtain.
Care in the United States is rationed based on income / access to employer-based insurance / age.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:35 pm to TBoy
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If he was in America, the private insurer would have “pulled the plug” on payment a long time ago.
You have no idea what you are talking about. Insurers can't just pull the plug. There are contracts and certificates of insurance that bind them to pay.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:35 pm to BamaAtl
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You have a wildly inaccurate picture of how much ICU care costs in this country if you think it that cap would take 20 years to hit...
I just gave a dollar amount and divided $3 million by that. I didn't stake any claim on being an expert on the cost of long-term ICU stays.
If the ICU stay INCLUDES mechanical respiration (life-saving machines) then it runs 1,522 dollars per day (average - the first two days will be much more expensive, from what I have found).
That would take 5.4 years to meet the cap.
I think you would know before the 5 year mark if what you're doing is in the best interest of your child or not. There's "not giving up hope" and there's "prolonging the pain."
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:35 pm to HonoraryCoonass
The Brits have merely exchanged the tyranny of the monarchy for the tyranny of the bureaucrat.
They tug their forelock and do as they're told.
They tug their forelock and do as they're told.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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What legal entity in America prevents an America from seeking the care they want? Give me an example of a type of care that I cannot LEGALLY seek to obtain.
Technically? Depending on your state, medical marijuana.
Other than that, though, your statement is absolutely correct.
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