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re: An Appeal For "Traditional Conservatives" to reconsider Populism.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:02 am to ItNeverRains
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:02 am to ItNeverRains
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Trump does not support forever wars and meaningless globohomo initiatives.
LOL! They down voted you for this. I mean seriously... LOL!
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:02 am to BCreed1
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I have many many times. GOPE is all about crony capitalism
Why did Trump keep padding the debt? Bailing out corporations?
Thats how crony capitalism grows.
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 11:03 am
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:05 am to RogerTheShrubber
I love your faux conservative, principled voter shtick. It’s quite comical. I am curious how Kennedy fits into this purity test and the other candidates you have voted for in the past? We have all shed our morals and principles to vote for Trump but you haven’t shed any to vote for a liberal Democrat pretending to be third party lol Rog you are quite the principled conservative
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:10 am to Rip Torner
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I love your faux conservative,
Youre a Democrat.
Conservative means...
Free Markets. (disqualifies most of MAGA)
Small Govt (Excludes MAGA)
Individualism over collectivism (MAGA is collective)
Merit over seniority (Its his turn, so you have to hate Ron)
Fiscal Responsibility (lolol @ MAGA here)
The next president will rule through a recession.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Bottom up "democracies" are easy to hijack. Theyre' all led by the same dipshits.
Again, Bukele & Milei are both clearly populists. Let’s see how quickly their movements are hijacked.
I think so far both have done extraordinary things for disasters of countries. To my knowledge Argentinas government hasn’t grown since his election, I’m not sure regarding Bukele.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:12 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Free Markets. (disqualifies most of MAGA)
Small Govt (Excludes MAGA)
Individualism over collectivism (MAGA is collective)
Merit over seniority (Its his turn, so you have to hate Ron)
Fiscal Responsibility (lolol @ MAGA here)
You are wrong on every count
Your score is 0. F is the grade.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:12 am to ItNeverRains
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Bukele & Milei are both clearly populists
Milei is a classical economist. Trumps populism is Modern Monetary Theory, which is clearly progressive.
Textbook economics is "elitist."
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 11:15 am
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:17 am to RiverCityTider
Don't know if its populism or traditional conservative but the only way to truly fix what is broken is to repeal the 16th Amendment.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:19 am to RiverCityTider
I’ve enjoyed reading the various points of view in this thread, which I consider one of the most erudite I’ve ever encountered on TD. This thread has really reinforced my opinion that there are a lot of smart well-informed people on TD.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:20 am to RiverCityTider
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RiverCityTider
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Vivek '24
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:25 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Military
We disagree here. Military always need to be the best in the world. We want anybody to know that we will absolutely break your shite if you mess with the USA.
Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution instructs the Legislative Branch to “provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States.”
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entitlements need to be cut, badly.
And nobody disagrees with that. Entitlements went down under Trump. Reduction in people who lost food stamps and were placed into the work force than under any GOPE president.
Where is the disagreement? It's a tax collected by the Federal Gov from working people and that tax is to fund their retirement. You believe that the gov should end it and "Oh well" about the people who paid the tax and now rely on it.
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Populists refuse to do the things necessary to right the ship. Sounds like your GOPE is populist. They'll keep doing stupid shite to get re-elected.
Again, not true. Trump did extremely well until the world was hit by a released virus from China!
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:25 am to ItNeverRains
I think you should be cautious to judge Milei's accomplishments for another 18 months. Argentina is so screwed up that they are still scrambling along the bottom.
Bukele's love fest dies with Bukele. Once he is out things down there will change for the worst. His style can only lead 2 ways. Either he finds a way to stay on and continues governance or he faces a reactionary backlash and rule by corrupt " oligarchs "
Bukele is a populist. Milei is not. He's an economic conservative following what could be called sound economic principles. That being said, he needs time to overturn generations of severely stupid quasi socialist policies that make even most socialist types say "WTF?"
Bukele's love fest dies with Bukele. Once he is out things down there will change for the worst. His style can only lead 2 ways. Either he finds a way to stay on and continues governance or he faces a reactionary backlash and rule by corrupt " oligarchs "
Bukele is a populist. Milei is not. He's an economic conservative following what could be called sound economic principles. That being said, he needs time to overturn generations of severely stupid quasi socialist policies that make even most socialist types say "WTF?"
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:27 am to DisplacedBuckeye
Vivek wants to cut the federal bureaucracy by 2/3. What the heck is wrong with that?
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 11:27 am
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:30 am to RiverCityTider
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Vivek wants to cut the federal bureaucracy by 2/3.
The opposite of Trump.
I'll never understand how one can support both.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
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We control this shite. Populists just want to pretend "we" dont.
LOL! What? Speaking just for myself, I have preached either stand up and get out to make the changes or remain under the thumb.
Many times! Your post is so far from the truth.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:32 am to KiwiHead
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Milei is not. He's an economic conservative following what could be called sound economic principles
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Youre a talking point machine.
This GOPE you complain about, guess who leads it?
This is you trying to morph the conversation into anti Trump.
Trump is leading the GOP. That does not equal in bed with the GOPE. He fought, and won, many battles against them. Like funding for the wall.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:34 am to BCreed1
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This is you trying to morph the conversation into anti Trump.
Who controls the Republican party?
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:34 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The outcome is the exact same.
No it’s not. I don’t want either, but they ARE different in an important way. Socialism/communism is totalitarian; populism/fascism is authoritarian. The fascists only want you to obey them; the communist insist that you believe them. I would much rather live under fascism than communism.
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 11:35 am
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:34 am to RiverCityTider
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And my understanding is Roger is a Ron Paul guy.
I am as well.
Hamilton and Jefferson stood together to defeat the royalists before they tore into one another.
We need more of that as we are basically at war.
Roger needs to wake up.
100000% agree
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