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re: An Appeal For "Traditional Conservatives" to reconsider Populism.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:35 am to Penrod
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:35 am to Penrod
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Socialism/communism is totalitarian; populism/fascism is authoritarian
The results are the same on the receiving end.
Authoritarian rule, which is the opposite of liberty.
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Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:40 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Populists just want to pretend "we" dont.
I see much discussion on here about 'populism' but no definition.
As I have stated before - to me, 'populism' has to carry the addition characteristic of "informed"
ANY division of humans will result in total disorder if the population is ignorant - or worse, MISINFORMED.
our problem today is that too much of our population has been propagandized. It is not fair to blame the concept of 'populism' as corrupt.
I believe ALL of our problems accelerated when the media took its eyes off really journalism and allowed themselves to be bought off by a political agenda. We now have PROPAGANDA as the primary medium of information exchange.
When close to half the population believes the things the Democrat/Media cabal have fed them for the past 30 years - with emphasis on the past 5 -
it is no wonder that "populism" cannot be trusted as it exists today in the USA.
I choose to read 'populism' in the vein of "the people" - If you want to specify "populism' as some defective definition, then it ought to be Capitalized - as in Democrat Party.
Od course I am a stickler for what words are supposed to mean - rather than having to adjust to arbitrary definitions that change weekly
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:41 am to RiverCityTider
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An Appeal For "Traditional Conservatives" to reconsider Populism.
You are not going to convince me to vote for Biden. Sorry.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Conservative means...
Free Markets. (disqualifies most of MAGA)
Free Market to you is not a free Market and it 100% eliminates part of the constitution. Yes there should be free markets where it is reciprocated.
When a rogue nation seeks to destroy our businesses and do harm using economic warfare, Gov has a role. It's laid out in the constitution.
Free Market is not anti Tariffs either. This is you openly suggesting that the USA has never been conservative until FDR.
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Small Govt (Excludes MAGA)
Wrong.
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Merit over seniority (Its his turn, so you have to hate Ron)
The heart of the matter. No., We just thought Trump is better suited.
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Fiscal Responsibility (lolol @ MAGA here)
Back to Covid... Blame China. Blame all of the GOP and the DEMS!
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The opposite of Trump.
I'll never understand how one can support both
Because Roger, we don't get to choose who the final two are.
We have to choose.
I'm not going to stand on the purity of some principle and allow Biden another term.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:43 am to ChineseBandit58
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but no definition.
Its valueless and personality centered.
Populist candidates are often referred to as Rorschach candidates. They just promise whatever the masses want.
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 11:45 am
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:44 am to GumboPot
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GumboPot
Come on man.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The natural path of populism is socialism
Only for the simple minded
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:48 am to LSU Patrick
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Only for the simple minded
Good luck Comrade.
When these working class heroes come to power, youre toast.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:49 am to LSU Patrick
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Only for the simple minded
Do you think that doesn't describe the populace?
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:50 am to KiwiHead
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I think you should be cautious to judge Milei's accomplishments for another 18 months. Argentina is so screwed up that they are still scrambling along the bottom.
I stated as much in the original post you responded to.
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Bukele's love fest dies with Bukele. Once he is out things down there will change for the worst. His style can only lead 2 ways. Either he finds a way to stay on and continues governance or he faces a reactionary backlash and rule by corrupt " oligarchs "
2 very possible outcomes but neither is guaranteed, many other outcomes are possible. Like Milei I stated it will be interesting to watch.
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Bukele is a populist. Milei is not. He's an economic conservative following what could be called sound economic principles. That being said, he needs time to overturn generations of severely stupid quasi socialist policies that make even most socialist types say "WTF?"
Milei would disagree with you. The notion that sound economic principles don’t conform to populism is absurd. It’s the backbone of populism, as debt is always an encumbrance for the populace.
Just for the record, I disagree with whoever this is a poop throwing thread. This has been one of the best threads on PT board in a good while IMO
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:51 am to RiverCityTider
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Vivek wants to cut the federal bureaucracy by 2/3.
Vivek told you he wants to cut the federal bureaucracy by two-thirds.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:52 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Do you think that doesn't describe the populace?
More and more unfortunately since the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:53 am to ItNeverRains
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Milei would disagree with you. The notion that sound economic principles don’t conform to populism is absurd.
I've never heard of one who did.
In fact, I bet most self described populists on this board cant define classic economics.
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 11:55 am
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:55 am to KiwiHead
They both are populist
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:57 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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Vivek wants to cut the federal bureaucracy by 2/3.
Vivek told you he wants to cut the federal bureaucracy by two-thirds.
Correct. Who else told us that. Am I supposed to support someone who tells me the right thing or should I support the guy that won't even go that far.
In the former case, at least there is a chance that he really believes it. And that means there is a chance he might actually [attempt to] do it.
In the latter case, he either does not believe it or he is too cowardly to even say it.
This post was edited on 6/9/24 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
He never stated that Trump did not control the party. He said that its not the same as being gope.
It takes time to remove the trash.
It takes time to remove the trash.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 11:59 am to Jjdoc
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He never stated that Trump did not control the party. He said that its not the same as being gope.
One and the same.
This mythical "GOPE" is nothing but a scapegoat for Donny. He has no intention on ruling with conservative principles.
Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Like the GOPE throughout my lifetime? Lol
Posted on 6/9/24 at 12:01 pm to RiverCityTider
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Am I supposed to support someone who tells me the right thing or should I support the guy that won't even go that far.
You can support anyone you like.
I'll stick to folks with proven records who've shown they can govern. You can keep the charismatic grifters and lip service.
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