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re: American Health Care Act (Obamacare Replacement) introduced
Posted on 3/6/17 at 11:38 pm to DyeHardDylan
Posted on 3/6/17 at 11:38 pm to DyeHardDylan
It's a starting point.
1- I'm ok with pre-existing conditions so long as the condition was prior to graduation from college and NOT getting prego.
Look... Everyday babies are born with conditions beyond their control. It wasn't their choice. They should be covered and it should not be a punishment to their parents. Who could disagree with that unless you agree with abortion.
2- the 26 year old limit... I prefer the age of 24. Graduate at 18. 4 years you are 22. That give you 2 years... GROW THE FRICK UP and get a DAMN JOB. My 14 year old great grand son is already working online selling things! Go get a job.... and I don't GAF if it's hard. I went to school and worked after from the age of 8!
Damn the TROPHIES FOR ALL MENTALITY!!!!
1- I'm ok with pre-existing conditions so long as the condition was prior to graduation from college and NOT getting prego.
Look... Everyday babies are born with conditions beyond their control. It wasn't their choice. They should be covered and it should not be a punishment to their parents. Who could disagree with that unless you agree with abortion.
2- the 26 year old limit... I prefer the age of 24. Graduate at 18. 4 years you are 22. That give you 2 years... GROW THE FRICK UP and get a DAMN JOB. My 14 year old great grand son is already working online selling things! Go get a job.... and I don't GAF if it's hard. I went to school and worked after from the age of 8!
Damn the TROPHIES FOR ALL MENTALITY!!!!
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Posted on 3/6/17 at 11:43 pm to JabarkusRussell
quote:
Why can't they just go back to what was in affect before Obamacare minus eliminating the preexisting condition issue?
Because without a continuous care incentive or mandate people would be able to wait until they're sick and buy health insurance.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 11:46 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Sigh.... this plan does nothing to address the underlying problem of insurance tied to employment.
The fact of the matter is that the pre-existing condition issue would be much less of an issue if your insurance wasn't tied to your job. Most people who could not get insurance because of their conditions had been laid off and/or quit sometime in the past, which started it all.
We have got to start taxing companies provision of health insurance.
I agree this totally fricks the market. The problem is there's no solution (to employment-insurance linkage) anyone on either side has proposed that wouldn't be political poison even to their own base.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 11:51 pm to montanagator
Before world war 2, American health insurance was NOT tied to employment, for the most part.
The obvious solution is to dis-incentivize companies from choosing to offer insurance. You do this by not making it CHEAPER for the firms to offer insurance than to pay more in wages. You make it as expensive as paying a wage by taxing the insurance.
The obvious solution is to dis-incentivize companies from choosing to offer insurance. You do this by not making it CHEAPER for the firms to offer insurance than to pay more in wages. You make it as expensive as paying a wage by taxing the insurance.
Posted on 3/6/17 at 11:52 pm to DyeHardDylan
Politians are scum of the earth.
Nothing short of a light poll, rope, and gravity is needed.
There's a girl I went to HS with who's father was a average guy. He became a state senator, rose through the ranks over 20 years, and now is high in the state. They now live in one of the richest neighborhoods in the state, travel to exotic places in the world, and drive fancy cars.
How does that happen when he quit working his average job and is just a full time state level politician?
Nothing short of a light poll, rope, and gravity is needed.
There's a girl I went to HS with who's father was a average guy. He became a state senator, rose through the ranks over 20 years, and now is high in the state. They now live in one of the richest neighborhoods in the state, travel to exotic places in the world, and drive fancy cars.
How does that happen when he quit working his average job and is just a full time state level politician?
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:03 am to baobabtiger
Well, business is ALL about contacts. And he now has access to rich contacts and therefore does better in his dealings.
You can be the absolute best mechanic in the world. Without the contact, you won't get the contract to repair all of baker Hughes vehicles. Guess who would have the contact to the executives at Baker Hughes.
Get what I'm saying? He now has the contacts and therefore is offered to be part of many deals/companies. Corporations PAY for contacts.
You can be the absolute best mechanic in the world. Without the contact, you won't get the contract to repair all of baker Hughes vehicles. Guess who would have the contact to the executives at Baker Hughes.
Get what I'm saying? He now has the contacts and therefore is offered to be part of many deals/companies. Corporations PAY for contacts.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:04 am to baobabtiger
Ok just go back to pre Obamacare. Pre-existing are out of luck as it seems they are the main reason a decent plan can't come to fruition.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:09 am to JabarkusRussell
Anyone else thinking this isnt the real plan? This is the bluff plan to get everyone freaked out and then next week or the week after the real plan is revealed.
And it would have to be by then to get it in place for 2018 insurance plans.
And it would have to be by then to get it in place for 2018 insurance plans.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:46 am to Mephistopheles
Didn't notice that it also cuts funding from Planned Parenthood- add another "No" vote to the Senate GOP total (Collins), that's 5 now this shite will never make it through the Senate even if by some miracle it slides through the House.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:53 am to DisplacedBuckeye
garbage plan without other miscellaneous tweaks to how the system works.
Moving lipstick from the pigs lips to it's arse.
Moving lipstick from the pigs lips to it's arse.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:55 am to Tiguar
quote:
“This is a Republican welfare entitlement.” New memo by RSC (boasts 150 House members) attacks the ACA replacement.
Well...that doesn't sound good for Trumpcare.
This post was edited on 3/7/17 at 12:57 am
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:57 am to DyeHardDylan
If not everyone pays in, then this plan won't be sustainable, imo. Gotta have everyone put in to cover the costs of the elderly and sick. I don't think this will be any more viable, in the long run, than ACA.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 12:57 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Before world war 2, American health insurance was NOT tied to employment, for the most part.
Right. Another byproduct of poor government policy.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:09 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:
Uh, this is not the Trump plan. Might want to read up a bit.
Trump never had a plan, at this point I don't think anyone in the GOP had a plan either. This bill is garbage, all that talk about repealing and replacing for this? What a joke.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:44 am to JabarkusRussell
quote:
Why can't they just go back to what was in affect before Obamacare minus eliminating the preexisting condition issue?
I honestly wonder what the age of this board is when I hear stuff like this.
Go back to what? 50 million uninsured? Premium inflation that often pushed upwards of 14%? Uncompensated care that drives up private plan premiums at an even higher rate?
But eliminate pre-existing condition clauses? Because insurers are so altruistic. They will just gladly not raise their rates across the board to absorb the increased level of risk they will be exposed to being unable to vet the riskiness of their insurance pool.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:50 am to DyeHardDylan
so in no way, shape or form is this a better, 'more beautiful', cover everyone plan. Fiqures, just another lie by this Liar in Chief.
so Trump cons everyone again.
so Trump cons everyone again.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 1:52 am to Cruiserhog
quote:Why are you assuming that this plan has anything to do with trump? His team didn't write this, congressional members did.
Cruiserhog
How do you not understand this? Do you think trump's team made this plan and sent it to congress?
learn to read
Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:06 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Sigh.... this plan does nothing to address the underlying problem of insurance tied to employment.
The fact of the matter is that the pre-existing condition issue would be much less of an issue if your insurance wasn't tied to your job. Most people who could not get insurance because of their conditions had been laid off and/or quit sometime in the past, which started it all.
We have got to start taxing companies provision of health insurance.
Welcome to what happens when you fail to deal with healthcare in its totality for nearly 100 years.
This is why we are the last industrialized country to not offer universal birth to death comprehensive coverage that is affordable and of high quality. Yet pay more then any other industrialized country.
You want to repeal the employer tax credit? Something economists of any stripe will argue is distorting the market, leaves small business and non-qualifying employees with more expensive care, and likely driving up overall healthcare costs to some degree?
You will now have the full weight of dozens of billion dollar companies spreading all manner of propaganda to kill that change. Republicans even lightly considered it and immediately a collection of businesses pounced on them: LINK
Which echoes past rumblings of either party in proposed reforms.
Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:08 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Why are you assuming that this plan has anything to do with trump? His team didn't write this, congressional members did.
How do you not understand this? Do you think trump's team made this plan and sent it to congress?
learn to read
I think you all are setting yourself up for severe disappointment if you think Trump has some magical policy that is going to live up to his earlier promises:
LINK
Posted on 3/7/17 at 2:09 am to bonhoeffer45
I have my prediction: trump will swoop in and propose alt right single payer. Aka healthcare for all citizens no illegals
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