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re: American Christianity Is on a Path Toward Being a Tool of Theocratic Authoritarianism
Posted on 10/7/22 at 10:42 am to oogabooga68
Posted on 10/7/22 at 10:42 am to oogabooga68
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Here's my perspective:
And I agree with your PoV on that issue.
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Posted on 10/7/22 at 10:45 am to WeirdFlex
If Christianity had that much power in America, they would have never taken God out of schools.
The church is filled with cowards who don’t want to hurt feelings.
Bring back the crusades!
The church is filled with cowards who don’t want to hurt feelings.
Bring back the crusades!
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:23 pm to oogabooga68
quote:Atheists who hold a grudge against other religions are pathetic losers who can't overcome their childhood issues. I disagree with atheists, but I don't seethe at the mere thought that they may be happier than I am or invent problems so that I have something to complain about, like the fact that churches don't pay taxes.
This can't be overstated.
The most frustrating thing is that his sort of idiocy is almost ALWAYS hand in hand with the passion for sharing that idiocy with the world.
Being stupid is fine, being a stupid a-hole is not.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:33 pm to WeirdFlex
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nteresting article. Thoughts?
Ive been reading and listening to a lot of commentary about this so called Christian nationalist movement and their supposed path to supporting authoritarianism . I think a lot of it is more of the same hyperbolic othering of those on the right by the left, just as the right is doing on other issues to those on the left. At least at this point I dont see this quote as something most Christians would accept :
quote:however the more folks like this author push the narrative that Christianity is force to be feared the more vulnerable I think it may make some Christians to actually embrace authoritarianism down the road.
“If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy.”
The fight for all of us should be the fight against authoritarianism no matter if it comes from the left or the right.
Here is a bit more balanced article on the subject from a Christian publication LINK
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:41 pm to ThuperThumpin
quote:Their version of "democracy" is not a good one. It's a path to elect authoritarians who will rule in perpetuity. China has "elections". Iraq has "elections". The Democrats only want a "democracy" that sees Democrats holding power with Republicans losing gracefully to give the "election" an air of legitimacy. They want to be the Harlem Globetrotters to the GOP's Washington Generals. I think competing ideas is a good thing, even if you lose sometimes, but I also know for a fact that conservatism is a superior ideology.
“If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism, they will abandon democracy.”
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:44 pm to coachcrisp
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This is in great part because the teachings of most churches in the U.S. are fundamentally at odds with what young people believe: particularly on topics like abortion, marriage equality, birth control, and premarital sex. They simply fail to see how such out-of-touch institutions are relevant."
Selfish hedonism.
Those individuals are more than happy to tolerate war crimes, warrantless spying, de jure racism against Asians, corporate welfare, violating the civil rights of the accused, and bad shoots by the police (which are almost always in Democrat cities).
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:47 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Was it "authoritarian" for the NYC government to limit the size of a soda that one can buy from a restaurant?
Posted on 10/7/22 at 12:54 pm to WeirdFlex
Solomon, the "son of David" was, in a sense, a "type" of the Christ in that his kingdom was magnified and this was typified in the OT.
"King Solomon shall be blessed, and the throne of David shall be established before the Lord forever.” 1 kings 2:45
(similar patterns in Psalm 89:29,36, 2 Sam 7:13,16)
Solomon, the "prince of peace" is a type of the "Prince of Peace" whose throne will reign forever.
Jesus is King of kings and Lord of Lords Rev 17:14 and He will reign over the house of Jacob and His house will have no end Luke1:33.
There are tons of verses about the authority of Jesus, as the :Son of David", the "Son of the Most High" etc. He came as many things and His reign will never end.
So...saying Christians want a theocracy is saying we want Jesus to come back "Your Kingdom come.." and wanting Him to re-take possession of the kingdoms of this earth that is under proxy rule by lesser powers.
“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” Rev 11:15.
A lot of teachings heed the warning of the Book of Judges to Israel, which is a warning to us today.
"In those days there was no king in Israel. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes." Judges 21:25
So the things that will take place will put us at odds with the Satan, the world, and our flesh and we will need King Jesus more and more.
"King Solomon shall be blessed, and the throne of David shall be established before the Lord forever.” 1 kings 2:45
(similar patterns in Psalm 89:29,36, 2 Sam 7:13,16)
Solomon, the "prince of peace" is a type of the "Prince of Peace" whose throne will reign forever.
Jesus is King of kings and Lord of Lords Rev 17:14 and He will reign over the house of Jacob and His house will have no end Luke1:33.
There are tons of verses about the authority of Jesus, as the :Son of David", the "Son of the Most High" etc. He came as many things and His reign will never end.
So...saying Christians want a theocracy is saying we want Jesus to come back "Your Kingdom come.." and wanting Him to re-take possession of the kingdoms of this earth that is under proxy rule by lesser powers.
“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” Rev 11:15.
A lot of teachings heed the warning of the Book of Judges to Israel, which is a warning to us today.
"In those days there was no king in Israel. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes." Judges 21:25
So the things that will take place will put us at odds with the Satan, the world, and our flesh and we will need King Jesus more and more.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 1:07 pm to WeirdFlex
I can't read everything in the article but the last paragraph needs a comment:
Kids are growing up being cultural Christians only because the culture in some ways in their homes is Christian. When the kids are introduced to other cultures, they are tempted to leave, and without the influence of their parents, they often times do leave the faith. It's because they have no grounding.
Parents are supposed to teach the whys, not just the whats, of Christianity. They are supposed to train their kids in the Scriptures and how to defend them in this world that offers no real competition to it ideologically, but offers sinful gratifications, instead.
Children are spiritually weak because their parents are spiritually weak. Parents are spiritually weak because the churches are spiritually weak. We need a reformation of the Church to fix the problem, as ultimately this is a spiritual issue.
quote:The reason why children are leaving the faith of their parents is that the parents are in weak churches that don't teach or encourage the parents to teach the kids in fundamental biblical doctrine and apologetics.
The numbers paint a clear picture of what is happening. As American youths leave home, they leave the faiths of their parents and never return. This is in great part because the teachings of most churches in the U.S. are fundamentally at odds with what young people believe: particularly on topics like abortion, marriage equality, birth control, and premarital sex. They simply fail to see how such out-of-touch institutions are relevant.
Kids are growing up being cultural Christians only because the culture in some ways in their homes is Christian. When the kids are introduced to other cultures, they are tempted to leave, and without the influence of their parents, they often times do leave the faith. It's because they have no grounding.
Parents are supposed to teach the whys, not just the whats, of Christianity. They are supposed to train their kids in the Scriptures and how to defend them in this world that offers no real competition to it ideologically, but offers sinful gratifications, instead.
Children are spiritually weak because their parents are spiritually weak. Parents are spiritually weak because the churches are spiritually weak. We need a reformation of the Church to fix the problem, as ultimately this is a spiritual issue.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 1:24 pm to FooManChoo
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The reason why children are leaving the faith of their parents is that the parents are in weak churches that don't teach or encourage the parents to teach the kids in fundamental biblical doctrine and apologetics.
Kids are growing up being cultural Christians only because the culture in some ways in their homes is Christian. When the kids are introduced to other cultures, they are tempted to leave, and without the influence of their parents, they often times do leave the faith. It's because they have no grounding.
Parents are supposed to teach the whys, not just the whats, of Christianity. They are supposed to train their kids in the Scriptures and how to defend them in this world that offers no real competition to it ideologically, but offers sinful gratifications, instead.
Children are spiritually weak because their parents are spiritually weak. Parents are spiritually weak because the churches are spiritually weak. We need a reformation of the Church to fix the problem, as ultimately this is a spiritual issue.
I've long said that the problem with modern Christianity in the U.S. is similar to the problem with our K-12 system of education. We have teachers who barely know more about the subjects they are teaching than the students themselves. If you were to walk into a random world history class in a random public high school, and asked the teacher for their insight on the how the Silk Road impacted the economic development of Asia and Europe, they'd probably give you a deer in headlights look.
Same thing with Christianity. We've had too many consecutive generations who've taken their faith for granted and have become cultural Christians. They are going through the motions because of some sense of obligation to heritage, tradition, or whatever...maybe they just think celebrating Christmas is fun. I wish that last comment was a joke, but I'm afraid it's not.
The vestiges of the "what" remain embedded deeply in our societal zeitgeist, and for good reason. But sadly the "why" and the "how" have been forgotten.
This post was edited on 10/7/22 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 10/7/22 at 1:34 pm to WeirdFlex
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American Christianity Is on a Path Toward Being a Tool of Theocratic Authoritarianism
Interesting article. Thoughts?
this started around 400 AD.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 1:36 pm to oogabooga68
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The Left have rejected God and engaged in the worship of self.
The left has chosen hell and it is reflected in the state of the country today.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 1:44 pm to WeirdFlex
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American Christianity Is on a Path Toward Being a Tool of Theocratic Authoritarianism
Interesting article. Thoughts?
Sounds like good news
Posted on 10/7/22 at 1:56 pm to WeirdFlex
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American Christianity Is on a Path Toward Being a Tool of Theocratic Authoritarianism
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WeirdFlex
That fits
Posted on 10/7/22 at 1:59 pm to WeirdFlex
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American Christianity Is on a Path Toward Being a Tool of Theocratic Authoritarianism
Can't disagree with this in part. American Christianity is a very large and varied tent. It reaches out and feeds the poor, takes care of the spiritual needs of prisoners, runs schools and hospitals, and does all manner of good deeds.
And yes, there are some who use Christianity to make themselves extremely wealthy. And there are some who use Christianity as a political tool to make themselves powerful. And some use it as a weapon.
So you can't really lump it all together.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 2:02 pm to WeirdFlex
The left has been on the path toward being a tool of atheistic/humanistic authoritarianism for a while now. They have shown their desire to rule with an iron fist and implement their atheistic/naturalistic worldview on society.
I don't support a theonomic government where the church leaders are also the leaders of the government. I believe that the biblical principle is that the civil magistrate is to be a servant of God in that it upholds civil justice, not in using the "keys of the kingdom" which belongs to the elders/rulers of the Church. There is a clear distinction between the sphere of the Church and the sphere of the State.
I believe the state is supposed to uphold justice and make conditions favorable for the spread of the Gospel while recognizing that all authority on earth (as well as in Heaven) has been given to Jesus Christ, as Lord of lords and King of kings.
I don't support a theonomic government where the church leaders are also the leaders of the government. I believe that the biblical principle is that the civil magistrate is to be a servant of God in that it upholds civil justice, not in using the "keys of the kingdom" which belongs to the elders/rulers of the Church. There is a clear distinction between the sphere of the Church and the sphere of the State.
I believe the state is supposed to uphold justice and make conditions favorable for the spread of the Gospel while recognizing that all authority on earth (as well as in Heaven) has been given to Jesus Christ, as Lord of lords and King of kings.
Posted on 10/7/22 at 2:07 pm to FooManChoo
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make conditions favorable for the spread of the Gospel
Which would entail?
Posted on 10/7/22 at 2:10 pm to FooManChoo
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make conditions favorable for the spread of the Gospel
But not favorable to the opposition of it?
Posted on 10/7/22 at 2:18 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
quote:You're seeing the fruits of that attitude laid out before you.
But not favorable to the opposition of it?
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