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re: All this talk about Putin being upset about progress so far has to be BS
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:27 am to gsvar2004
Posted on 2/27/22 at 9:27 am to gsvar2004
Can we stop starting threads claiming every fricking thing out of Ukrainian is propaganda? We fricking get it. No one here is telling anyone you have to believe every single thing you hear, but it’s getting quite annoying reading the same shite over and over from the propaganda bots.
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Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:34 am to gsvar2004
As much as I'd rather not believe what I'm thinking, he may very well be waiting for that one opportunity to escalate this beyond the borders of Ukraine. He certainly has given the world enough warnings that the unthinkable is a possibility if NATO intervenes on behalf of Ukraine giving him the excuse he wants to "gobble" up more countries in his quest to restore the former Soviet Union.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:36 am to gsvar2004
The best outcome was to overtake Ukraine quickly and decisively. He is a fool if he thinks showing weakness is at all a good strategy here. I think he underestimated the situation and the repercussions.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:38 am to Concerned Senior
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As much as I'd rather not believe what I'm thinking, he may very well be waiting for that one opportunity to escalate this beyond the borders of Ukraine. He certainly has given the world enough warnings that the unthinkable is a possibility if NATO intervenes on behalf of Ukraine giving him the excuse he wants to "gobble" up more countries in his quest to restore the former Soviet Union
No way this is a plan of his. NATO would destroy Russia if it was held to conventional warfare.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:39 am to TexanTiger68
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For the expectations that Putin had for this campaign
Did he call you personally to make sure you understood his expectations in all of this? Because he didn't call me and I don't believe anything that comes from the media. It's sad so many do.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:40 am to flyAU
This board acts like Ukraine should have immediately surrendered in the face if the Russian Army. This ain't France.
It's hard as hell to eradicate a military defending its homeland along with an armed citizenry willing to participate.
It's hard as hell to eradicate a military defending its homeland along with an armed citizenry willing to participate.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:42 am to TexanTiger68
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You must be a Putin-lover too.
Neo-Cons accusing everyone who disagrees with them as being Putin-lovers. Exactly what Tucker Carlson said would happen.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:43 am to Bwmdx
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I’m amazed how taking an objective look at what is happening is considered being a “Putin-lover”.
Are you? I'm not.
Americans are by and large stupid sheep that take the one liners and opinions of the media as undisputable fact, when it been 100% for-profit propaganda for decades
Posted on 2/27/22 at 10:52 am to gsvar2004
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It’s just more propaganda spewed up. I truly believe Putin is playing rope a dope. He’s nowhere near dumb enough to have played his cards yet. He didn’t rise through the KGB and become president being a dummy. I believe he’s waiting to see what the rest of worlds response is.
Right, but these are just your opinions.
You are essentially saying that your opinions are more trustworthy than the whole of the Western world. Skepticism I get, but that's a bit much.
As for Putin being upset: he probably is. The entire world is saying he's getting humiliated. There are social media videos of Ukrainians laughing at him near burned out husks of Russian equipment.
Is it propaganda? Potentially. That "Ghost" stuff was always silly and I don't believe a word of it.
I believe there are a lot of Russian equipment in smoldering heaps. I believe NATO countries are starting to send Ukraine anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons through Poland. I believe Russia continues to escalate because their first attempts did not work.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 11:09 am to RuLSU
There is no war in Ukraine. It is just mostly a peaceful protest.
If you want any news that is even close to the truth, simply watch CNN and believe the opposite of everything they project.
ETA; And right on que, Mitt Romney is on now saying it's clear this a battle of "Good vs. Evil"
If you want any news that is even close to the truth, simply watch CNN and believe the opposite of everything they project.
ETA; And right on que, Mitt Romney is on now saying it's clear this a battle of "Good vs. Evil"
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 11:32 am
Posted on 2/27/22 at 11:28 am to TexanTiger68
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For the expectations that Putin had for this campaign, he certainly getting his arse handed to him.
What exactly do you think his expectations were? To take all of Ukraine? You are a fool if you think so. The major hurdle in his campaign seem to be taking Kiev and Kharkiv without massive civilian casualties. He wouldn't be able to hold Kiev. The only goal there is to take out the wests puppet government and install a move favorable one.
He wants to carve out the southern and eastern 1/3 of Ukraine that is mostly ethic Russians that largely want to be a part of Russia or at least allied with them and have a government in Kiev that isn't an outright puppet of the west.
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That's undebatable at this point.
Nothing is undebatable at this point. We are 4 days in and have very little reliable intel on what is going on.
Let me be clear in saying I have no affinity for Putin since that seems to be the go to insult for anyone not making huge leaps in logic or calling him names.
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 11:31 am
Posted on 2/27/22 at 12:14 pm to gsvar2004
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I truly believe Putin is playing rope a dope.
That’s a boxing strategy (suitable for 1 person vs another), not a war strategy (thousands on both sides with high costs on both).
All assets are precious and should be used efficiently. Why would you go to war willingly taking more abuse to your limited assets as a means to lower the other side’s expectations?
Posted on 2/27/22 at 12:59 pm to gsvar2004
It took the US 3 weeks to take Baghdad.
The propaganda from the US media is astounding.
The propaganda from the US media is astounding.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 1:01 pm to gsvar2004
Its only been a few days, Iraq took longer to pacify when the urban fighting began.
Yeah, i am also starting to see how mindless people are and how they just follow the prevailing media story whatever it may be.
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Neo-Cons accusing everyone who disagrees with them as being Putin-lovers. Exactly what Tucker Carlson said would happen.
Yeah, i am also starting to see how mindless people are and how they just follow the prevailing media story whatever it may be.
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 2/27/22 at 1:02 pm to gsvar2004
He might crazy or a frick up
Posted on 2/27/22 at 1:03 pm to gsvar2004
I agree. If Putin swept in too quickly without bringing up the rear, he creates a classic military blunder known as a Salient.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 4:00 pm to gsvar2004
So I take a 1.5 hour nap and it goes from Ukraine Is wooping russias arse to Russia has major cities surrounded on all sides?? Told y’all total propaganda
Posted on 2/27/22 at 4:04 pm to gsvar2004
They haven't touched a single cell tower.
ISPs are still up.
Water, power and all infrastructure is fine.
If they wanted to target civilians, or decided to carpet bomb, they would.
They have not done that. This isn't accidental.
They're targeting military installations/targets and anyone who scoffs at Putin's description of this action as "special operations" and "denazification" does so at the risk of being branded a retard.
ISPs are still up.
Water, power and all infrastructure is fine.
If they wanted to target civilians, or decided to carpet bomb, they would.
They have not done that. This isn't accidental.
They're targeting military installations/targets and anyone who scoffs at Putin's description of this action as "special operations" and "denazification" does so at the risk of being branded a retard.
This post was edited on 2/27/22 at 4:05 pm
Posted on 2/27/22 at 4:09 pm to tigerpimpbot
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I'm amazed how taking an objective look at what is happening is considered being a “Putin-lover”. Especially after the 5 years of overt propaganda our MSM has been spewing. Sorry, but I don’t take everything our media says at face value. And I don’t take anything at face value after it has been filtered through Ukraine sources either.
There is plenty of reason to treat information coming out of a war zone with high skepticism *before* even entertaining how its handlers may want it to be percieved-- but there is also a counter point wherein eventually, denial of everything as unreal becomes untenable.
Safe things to say about the situation in the Ukraine-- its a confused mess, with everyone pursuing their own interests, no saints on any side, and its going to be unclear for a long time, exactly what has happened. What can be discerned is that the Russians haven't achieved the victory they had hoped for, in the time frame they had hoped for-- and to get much beyond those things is to start down a road of speculation or 'This is fake!' vs'This is not fake' crap.
Posted on 2/27/22 at 4:18 pm to gsvar2004
He has a heavy presence in Ukraine and is advancing. People believing this media nonsense of "Ukraine is winning" are just flat out dumb. No one takes a major city in a week. Without serious Western help, Putin will take most of eastern Ukraine.
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