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Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:32 am to Between TheHedges
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Heard that Baldwin got an offer to play fauci in an upcoming biopic since he has first hand real life experience with administering fatal shots
Kudos
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:32 am to CoachChappy
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However, he does have some plausible denyability in this particular case.
No he doesn't and you don't know what a responsible gun owner is.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:34 am to Flats
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They should be props or otherwise rendered inoperable. Take out the firing pin, plug the barrel, whatever.
Exactly.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:36 am to WPBTiger
I knew that Day 1 and it would have been Day 1 had it been anyone else.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:39 am to Diamondawg
The question I asked since day one that I still haven’t seen answered, did Alec take a drug test? Pretty common for drug test to be required in job related accidents, especially ones resulting in a death.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:40 am to HonoraryCoonass
he was drinking and shooting the day before with the same gun
he also fired all the SAG people, and had his own people there, little fire arm experience
boy, you'd think the gal who died was making a hollywood pedo expose, or something
he also fired all the SAG people, and had his own people there, little fire arm experience
boy, you'd think the gal who died was making a hollywood pedo expose, or something
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:42 am to CoachChappy
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However, he does have some plausible denyability in this particular case.
No he doesn't.
Not even a little.
You check a firearm when you have it in your possession. Especially before you go pointing it at people.
I would have a hard time pointing a guy at people right now. I would triple check it and still feel uneasy.
She's dead. It's permanent.
He's liable.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:44 am to Flats
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Those shouldn't technically qualify as a "gun". They should be props or otherwise rendered inoperable. Take out the firing pin, plug the barrel, whatever.
You could make the argument that the SHOULD be prop guns, but the vast majority of cases, they are real, operative guns loaded with blanks.
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In military training you aim guns at people all the time, but there are a LOT of measures put into place to negate the risk.
And on a (responsible and well managed) movie or TV set, they take all those measures and precautions, too. Obviously, they were not followed or implemented on “Rust.”
Baldwin and his production company will get sued to kingdom come, but I doubt much will happen to him criminally.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:45 am to Clyde Tipton
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still can't believe his defense is...
"Guns are so dangerous. They just go off randomly and kill people. There is no way I pulled the trigger, I can guarantee you, I was holding the gun."
I'm not sure it's coming from the Baldwin legal team but various talking heads keep raising the question of whether he can get a fair trial due to how personally unlikeable he is.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:46 am to thejudge
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He's liable.
Hopefully he loses his wealth. I'd rather that happen than prison.
Metros like him would rather be dead than not wealthy.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:46 am to HonoraryCoonass
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would he necessarily know that?
It wasn’t his first time firing that weapon.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:48 am to thejudge
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You check a firearm when you have it in your possession. Especially before you go pointing it at people.
I'm not a movie expert, but if I was hired as an armorer and handed some dipshit actor a handgun I wouldn't want them to do anything with it. At all. Do your scene, hand it back, don't mess with it.
But if I was an armorer there wouldn't be a functioning gun on the set. If for some reason there just had to be, movie can't get made without this uber-rare handgun in a scene, there would be multiple layered measures in place to ensure there wasn't a live round within a mile of that weapon. And nobody would be handing it to the actor but me.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:48 am to Padme
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What kinda jail time will he get for negligence and taking a life? 1 year? 5 years?
We are all about to get a glimpse at what true privilege looks like. Kill someone and don’t suffer the full repercussions. Can’t think of many things more privileged than that.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:49 am to thejudge
Seems like the appropriate charge. It was clearly an accident. However Baldwin was running an unsafe set, violating all manner of established safety protocols, and bottom he pointed a loaded gun at someone and pulled the trigger. He is accountable.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:49 am to WPBTiger
I feel like that charge is correct. The sentencing will be what is interesting.
Prop guns are rubber. Everyone on set knew those were authentic firearms, and they had been playing with them off shoot, if i remember correctly while drinking, just shooting stuff out there having fun. so it is absolutely unreasonable for the firearm not to have been safety checked before he got it and by him after it was given to him. period.
i don't believe the weird stories around him making it seem like he did that shiz on purpose, but he shouldn't be allowed to skate totally. i imagine, despite his absolute horrid temperament (sociopathy?) that he ever thought he was about to kill someone.
Involuntary manslaughter feels right, not having studied every detail of the case, but knowing what we DO know about the behavior and actions taken on the set, when cameras weren't rolling...
Prop guns are rubber. Everyone on set knew those were authentic firearms, and they had been playing with them off shoot, if i remember correctly while drinking, just shooting stuff out there having fun. so it is absolutely unreasonable for the firearm not to have been safety checked before he got it and by him after it was given to him. period.
i don't believe the weird stories around him making it seem like he did that shiz on purpose, but he shouldn't be allowed to skate totally. i imagine, despite his absolute horrid temperament (sociopathy?) that he ever thought he was about to kill someone.
Involuntary manslaughter feels right, not having studied every detail of the case, but knowing what we DO know about the behavior and actions taken on the set, when cameras weren't rolling...
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 10:58 am
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:50 am to thejudge
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You check a firearm when you have it in your possession. Especially before you go pointing it at people.
I would have a hard time pointing a guy at people right now. I would triple check it and still feel uneasy.
This is exactly correct. You really should never point a gun at someone at all unless you are intending to shoot them for some reason, hopefully legitimate of course, and you absolutely never, ever should do so without double, triple checking to be sure it's not loaded.
He's definitely guilty of negligence at the least
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:51 am to HonoraryCoonass
So why is he charged with two counts? There was only one fatality, right?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:54 am to WPBTiger
quote:NM Stat § 30-2-3 (2021)
Manslaughter is the unlawful killing of a human being without malice.
B. Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.
Whoever commits involuntary manslaughter is guilty of a fourth degree felony.
The maximum sentence for a 4th-degree felony is 18 months, plus a fine of $5000
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:55 am to Flats
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I'm not a movie expert, but if I was hired as an armorer and handed some dip shite actor a handgun I wouldn't want them to do anything with it. At all. Do your scene, hand it back, don't mess with it. But if I was an armorer there wouldn't be a functioning gun on the set. If for some reason there just had to be, movie can't get made without this uber-rare handgun in a scene, there would be multiple layered measures in place to ensure there wasn't a live round within a mile of that weapon. And nobody would be handing it to the actor but me.
This is exactly right. This is exactly how the process is supposed to work.
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