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re: Alec Baldwin Charged With Involuntary Manslaughter in ‘Rust’ Shooting (OP Updated)

Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:21 am to
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:21 am to
quote:

Isn’t his role to pull the trigger?

Yes, but from what I understand he violated protocol by pointing it directly at her.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95318 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:23 am to
My understanding-

Live ammo - Brass containing lead, wadding, powder, primer

Blanks - Live ammo minus the lead

Dummy ammo - Live ammo minus the powder and primer



My guess is that all look identical at a glance if you don’t know what you’re looking for.



To put this into context of other shooting deaths on a set -

Brandon Lee was killed because the gun had a dummy round earlier in the day where the lead fell out into the gun and was not properly cleared by the armored. The actor playing Funboy was given the gun with a blank in it for the scene. When the blank went off, the resulting shot blew the loose lead out of the gun and into Lee.

Jon Erik Hexum killed himself by accident with a blank while filming a TV show. He was playing around with a gun on set despite being repeatedly warned not to do so and eventually shot himself in the head with a blank. That blank sent a plug of his skull through his brain and either killed him or made him brain dead to where life support got pulled.
Posted by JackieTreehorn
Malibu
Member since Sep 2013
29070 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:24 am to
Maybe he will shoot himself
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:31 am to
I do not have a great deal of interest in researching, New Mexico case law, but I suspect that that standard is a bit higher than their civil liability standard. Who knows? We will learn more as the facts develop.

in a more general context, I have never been a big advocate for imprisoning people over accidents. Mes rea or only civil liability.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 11:34 am
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
22274 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:33 am to
quote:

Isn’t his role to pull the trigger?




It's been reported in various places that they were not shooting or rehearsing a scene when he shot her.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27823 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:34 am to
Kentucky just found a nurse guilty because the hospital system uses an autodrug dispensing system without strong barriers. So the nurse make a mistake she freely admits to and is thrown in jail due to poor system by the hospital that allows mistakes to lead to improper drug issuance that has occurred multiple times in the past without correcting.

If that’s the standard, I don’t see how Alec walks when he not only runs the set but fired the gun in question.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 11:38 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260320 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:35 am to
quote:

My guess is that all look identical at a glance if you don’t know what you’re looking for.


Someone handling hundreds or thousands of movie blanks should know what to look for.

Blanks are either flat (no lead) or crimped (no lead)

Either way, they don't have projectiles.

Regardless, this gun shouldn't have had anything, which is really easy to look for.
Posted by Nono
Member since Nov 2017
4820 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:48 am to
I want him to go to jail

I want him anally violated against his will
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:50 am to
quote:

I want him anally violated against his will
for being negligent, or just for being a liberal?
Posted by HonoraryCoonass
Member since Jan 2005
18067 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:03 pm to
quote:

I wouldn't want to be the person who hired her either.


That would effectively be Alec Baldwin.
Posted by hogcard1964
Illinois
Member since Jan 2017
10413 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:23 pm to
He'll get a lot more than Kim Potter received for accidently killing that gangbanger - Daunte Wright while mistaking her gun for a tazer.

This clown literally pointed this firearm at someone.
Posted by hogcard1964
Illinois
Member since Jan 2017
10413 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:24 pm to
Both?
Posted by tgerb8
Huntsvegas
Member since Aug 2007
5986 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:16 pm to


just got for my super assaulty weapon!
Posted by btrcj
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2019
622 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

Guns are so dangerous. They just go off randomly and kill people


Boy, if I had a nickel for every time this has happened to me!
Posted by Johnpettigrew
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2017
1633 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 2:21 pm to
quote:

he does have some plausible denyability in this particular case.


His plausible deniability went out the door when he pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger. It doesn’t matter if he meant to kill someone or not.
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72615 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:01 pm to
quote:

but I easily admit when I am/was


Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 3:28 pm to
Exactly…what dumbasses target practice with live rounds from a gun that will be used in filming?
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