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Alabama tries to gut asset forfeiture, response from law enforcement is predictable

Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:41 pm
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:41 pm
Posted this on the OT, thought the PT would find it interesting...

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By Brian McVeigh, Calhoun County District Attorney and president of the Alabama District Attorneys Association; and Dave Sutton, Sheriff of Coffee County and president of the Alabama Sheriffs Association


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The Alabama Legislature is considering legislation that would change the way civil asset forfeitures are handled in Alabama. While well-meaning, some of the proposed changes would essentially gut what is an effective crime-fighting tool while making it easier for drug dealers and other criminals to hang on to their ill-gotten gains. The result would be more crime.

Unfortunately, several special interest groups have pushed a narrative that law enforcement - police, sheriffs and other authorities - are using civil asset forfeiture to unfairly take money and property from innocent Alabamians.

That narrative is false. Law enforcement uses civil asset forfeiture only to go after criminals, and state law already guarantees a process that is clear and fair for any person to challenge forfeiture in court. State law also provides built-in safeguards that protect the property of those who have committed no crime.


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Here are some important facts to keep in mind.

Law enforcement and prosecutors can't go after property unless it can be shown it was used in a crime, was gained through criminal action or bought with the proceeds of a crime. Alabama law lays out a clear process that prosecutors must follow in going after a criminal's assets and an easy process for people to challenge the forfeiture.

More important, no asset can be forfeited in state court without the approval of a judge who weighs evidence both for and against forfeiture. Even in cases in which the property owner doesn't contest the forfeiture, a judge must still sign off on it. These proceedings begin with public document filings in circuit court and are disposed of in an open and public forum, with all proceeds subject to audit.


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Two changes to the state's civil forfeiture law are especially concerning to DAs and law enforcement. One would allow forfeiture only if there is a criminal conviction; the other would require that any proceeds from forfeitures go to the state's General Fund rather than local law enforcement. Though these changes may sound good, they would hurt public safety and make civil forfeiture less fair.

Requiring criminal convictions would result in more criminal charges filed and more people going to prison for lesser crimes. Consider pretrial diversion programs, such as drug court, for example. These programs allow people arrested for nonviolent crimes, including some drug charges, to go into treatment and other programs that keep them out of prison. Participants in these programs are not convicted of a crime, so under the proposed change, the only way to deprive them of their ill-gotten gains would be to prosecute them.

Meanwhile, sending the proceeds of forfeiture to the state's General Fund would result in fewer busts of drug and stolen property rings. What incentive would local police and sheriffs have to invest manpower, resources and time in these operations if they don't receive proceeds to cover their costs?


The rest of the article is a, um, interesting read into why the War on Drugs is so profitable.
Posted by 9th life
birmingham
Member since Sep 2009
7310 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:46 pm to
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What incentive would local police and sheriffs have to invest manpower, resources and time in these operations if they don't receive proceeds to cover their costs?


Disturbing.
Posted by stat19
Member since Feb 2011
29350 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:47 pm to
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What incentive would local police and sheriffs have to invest manpower, resources and time in these operations if they don't receive proceeds to cover their costs?


They make it sound like a video game.

fricking tards.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30551 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:48 pm to
Good old Dave Sutton, lol. He will damn sure bust someone for drugs but you can forget about his department solving a murder or properly investigating robbery/burglary...
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
15261 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:49 pm to
So basically the diversion programs are actually legalized incentives for people to waive their constitutional rights and cough up assets in exchange for the state not imprisoning them?

That’s fricked up.
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
18734 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:51 pm to
It's sad they would even state this publicly.

They are basically asserting law should only be enforced if there's something to gain.

You realize we are one step away from being like Mexico where bribes keep people out of jail? I mean if law enforcement expects something in return..... why not a bribe?
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
15261 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:52 pm to
This is effectively legalized bribery.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
Lurking the Tin Foil Hat Board
Member since Jul 2009
50737 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:54 pm to
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What incentive would local police and sheriffs have to invest manpower, resources and time in these operations if they don't receive proceeds to cover their costs?





Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
30551 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:54 pm to
Lol, Dave proposed a local bill last year that would set requirements for running for sheriff in his county: 1. Resident of the County for two consecutive years and 2. Completion of training that is required after being elected sheriff before being allowed to run.

Funny but he did not see anything wrong with it.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:55 pm to
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They are basically asserting law should only be enforced if there's something to gain.


Not to mention referring to people not convicted of any crimes labelled as "criminals" in the first two paragraphs...
Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:59 pm to
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What incentive would local police and sheriffs have to invest manpower, resources and time in these operations if they don't receive proceeds to cover their costs?


I don't know....maybe focus on serious criminal operations instead of taking some guys car for a bag of pot?
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
70984 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:02 pm to
That whole argument makes me want to punch the person who wrote it.

Being against the criminal conviction stipulation is admitting that they don't want to have to return assets to someone who is ultimately found not guilty. That admission is compounded by them being against the use of the funds. They obviously rely heavily on money gained through asset forfeiture, to the point that they would not feel any incentive to enforce the law if they didn't get to keep it.

They are painting themselves as mercenaries who will only "protect and serve" if they get to steal from folks to fund their operations. What a shitty statement.
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
18734 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:02 pm to
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Not to mention referring to people not convicted of any crimes labelled as "criminals" in the first two paragraphs..


Great point. Obviously they can't use the word suspect, because that would imply the possibility of innocence which would undercut their justification for seizure.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:14 pm to
Their basic argument is there are laws already on the books, but they ignore that so many police departments abuse those rules. Not to mention the court system that almost exclusively defers to the law enforcement entities.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
88509 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:15 pm to
this is one of those issues where i think 100% of this board is unified on. Speaks to how shitty this policy is.
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:15 pm to
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What incentive would local police and sheriffs have to invest manpower, resources and time in these operations if they don't receive proceeds to cover their costs?
The incentive of "it's your fricking job?"
Posted by skrayper
21-0 Asterisk Drive
Member since Nov 2012
35357 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:16 pm to
Can't say I'm surprised.

You know who else is pro-forfeiture?

Good ol' Jeff "What's mine is mine and what's yours is mine" Sessions

Us Alabamians tried to warn people off of him.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:19 pm to
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Speaks to how shitty this policy is.



I think in cases where it can clearly be shown that someone convicted of a crime was using the assets in question to commit the underlying crime, it is fine. The bar law enforcement has to clear though is so low, it's ripe as hell for abuse.
Posted by Volatile
Tennessee
Member since Apr 2014
6182 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:22 pm to
Something that should have full blown bipartisan approval is reforming or gutting civil asset forfeiture.

Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:23 pm to
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Something that should have full blown bipartisan approval is reforming or gutting civil asset forfeiture.



Would probably get vetoed by the president sadly. He supports asset forfeiture .
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