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re: Ahmaud Arbery murder suspects seek to ban Confederate flag license plate from evidence
Posted on 10/8/21 at 5:57 pm to Azkiger
Posted on 10/8/21 at 5:57 pm to Azkiger
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To make the arrest, an employee would have had to actually see the criminal act committed.
The employee would have to see the act committed. Georgia case law. Immediate knowledge doesn’t transfer to someone else. Thus the “immediate” in “immediate knowledge.”
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Posted on 10/8/21 at 6:06 pm to the808bass
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The employee would have to see the act committed.
Because the witness' reasonable suspicion couldn't go past herself and still be considered "immediate knowledge". Yes, the employee would have had to witnessed it himself because she did not.
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Immediate knowledge doesn’t transfer to someone else. Thus the “immediate” in “immediate knowledge.”
"A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion."
- Georgia law for citizen's arrest
Why the distinction between something occurring within their presence OR within their immediate knowledge?
Your working definition of immediate knowledge seems to be specifically limited to things you've seen (occurred in your presence).
This post was edited on 10/8/21 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 10/8/21 at 8:20 pm to the808bass
When you grab a man’s gun you tend to get shot. It’s almost Darwinism in real time.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 8:38 pm to Drizzt
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When you grab a man’s gun you tend to get shot. It’s almost Darwinism in real time.
And when you murder a person for no reason you rot in jail the rest of your life.
It's like Darwin in real time.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 8:47 pm to Azkiger
Case law, no matter how many times you post what you think the law is, has defined immediate knowledge as seeing it for yourself. Now post the law again and say “nu uh.”
Posted on 10/8/21 at 8:48 pm to Drizzt
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When you grab a man’s gun you tend to get shot. It’s almost Darwinism in real time.
When someone hits you with their car and another someone points a gun at you, you are allowed the opportunity to defend yourself.
It’s called Natural Law.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 8:50 pm to the808bass
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When someone hits you with their car and another someone points a gun at you, you are allowed the opportunity to defend yourself
So, were they supposed to give him a free hit? In the escalation of it, I think they forgot to pause and allow him a turn.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 8:51 pm to icutmyownlawn
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For what? Arbery grabbed the shotgun. He literally tried to disarm a man holding a shotgun. It's on video.
You don't get to point a gun at an unarmed man posing no threat to you and then claim self defense when he tries to disarm you.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 8:53 pm to Bulldogblitz
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So, were they supposed to give him a free hit?
If someone hits you with their car, they’re no longer attempting a citizen’s arrest. It’s an assault.
At that point, the citizen’s arrest defense is over.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 8:55 pm to the808bass
Yeah it was such a smart decision to go after the armed man with a gun that the genius running for his health got his arse killed. Please share more of your sterling survival advice dumbass.
This post was edited on 10/8/21 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 10/8/21 at 8:57 pm to Drizzt
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When you grab a man’s gun you tend to get shot. It’s almost Darwinism in real time.
When a complete stranger with no obvious legal authority to do so points a gun at you, it is entirely rational to expect him to shoot you. This isnt a police officer or a soldier pointing a gun at you while issue a command, where the expectation is that if you follow said commands you will not be harmed.
These guys who he didnt know from Adam had just chased him down, tried to hit him with their car and now their is a gun being pulled on him. The ONLY option at that point is to fight back because you are going to assume these people are trying to harm you.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 8:59 pm to Drizzt
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Yeah it was such a smart decision to go after the armed man with a gun
If the only perceived alternative is being shot, you pick the option that allows for the possibility of not being shot.
Again, ANYONE in that scenario would rationally conclude those men were seeking to harm you BECAUSE THEY HAD ALREADY TRIED TO DO SO.
This post was edited on 10/8/21 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 10/8/21 at 9:11 pm to Roger Klarvin
If I’m out in public and some guys point a gun at me and tell me to stop, I’m going to stop.
Unless I just stole some shite then I’m going to run.
Unless I just stole some shite then I’m going to run.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 9:15 pm to Drizzt
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If I’m out in public and some guys point a gun at me and tell me to stop, I’m going to stop.
Then you're an idiot, and the only "Darwin" winner in this discussion
You either run if you're far enough away to have a reasonable expectation that he'll miss, or you attempt to disarm him. Never fricking stand still if a complete stranger with no legal authority over you points a gun at you, especially one that has already demonstrated a willingness and intent to hurt you. You have to assume he intends to shoot you.
This post was edited on 10/8/21 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 10/8/21 at 9:30 pm to Roger Klarvin
This is too dumb to reasonably respond to. So if an undercover cop points a gun at you how exactly do you know they have legal authority? You don’t dumbass but you know to stop if they have a gun.
If Arbery was as stupid as you it definitely explains how he got his arse shot though.
If Arbery was as stupid as you it definitely explains how he got his arse shot though.
This post was edited on 10/8/21 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 10/8/21 at 9:32 pm to Drizzt
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So if an undercover cop points a gun at you how exactly do you know they have legal authority?
If an undercover cop points a gun at you and doesnt identify themselves as such, legally they are not a cop.
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You don’t dumbass but you know to stop if they have a gun.
They either identify themselves or I get to assume they arent a cop, and I absolutely will
Posted on 10/8/21 at 9:34 pm to Roger Klarvin
I’m guessing you have never actually done this or you would be dead. I hope you teach your kids to not stop when they are ordered to by an armed person. We definitely need you out of the gene pool.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 9:35 pm to Drizzt
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Yeah it was such a smart decision to go after the armed man with a gun that the genius running for his health got his arse killed. Please share more of your sterling survival advice dumbass.
Being dumb doesn’t mean people get to kill you with impunity. Share more of your dumbfrickingness.
This post was edited on 10/8/21 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 10/8/21 at 9:37 pm to the808bass
It’s weird how there is such a strong correlation between being an idiot and getting shot though, isn’t it?
Posted on 10/8/21 at 9:39 pm to Drizzt
It’s not strange.
It’s also completely separate from legal jeopardy.
But you’re in this thread trying to dumbfrick it up more than it’s already dumbfricked.
It’s also completely separate from legal jeopardy.
But you’re in this thread trying to dumbfrick it up more than it’s already dumbfricked.
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