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re: Ahmaud Arbery murder suspects seek to ban Confederate flag license plate from evidence
Posted on 10/8/21 at 9:41 pm to the808bass
Posted on 10/8/21 at 9:41 pm to the808bass
So let’s just say that Arbery put himself in “jeopardy” when he made the dumb decision to attack the man with the gun. fricked around, found out.
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Posted on 10/8/21 at 9:43 pm to Drizzt
You can try to say it in a bunch of different ways. “He’s so stupid it doesn’t matter if you kill him” isn’t a legal defense.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 9:49 pm to the808bass
I didn’t say he should have been killed because he was stupid. I said he did something stupid that got him killed. From what I’ve read he doesn’t seem like a rocket scientist but neither do you. That’s not why he got shot. Making a very bad decision led to that. I also think the two guys who stopped him made a bad decision. They should have let him steal whatever he wanted if it wasn’t their stuff. Society punishes people trying to maintain any semblance of order. We should just let it burn down until the majority are begging for sane people to institute law and order again.
This post was edited on 10/8/21 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 10/8/21 at 9:51 pm to Drizzt
If your argument is that everyone involved is dumb, then we agree.
Hitting people with cars and brandishing weapons isn’t a great commercial for “semblance of order.”
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They should have let him steal whatever he wanted if it wasn’t their stuff. Society punishes people trying to maintain any semblance of order.
Hitting people with cars and brandishing weapons isn’t a great commercial for “semblance of order.”
This post was edited on 10/8/21 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 10/8/21 at 9:52 pm to Drizzt
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So let’s just say that Arbery put himself in “jeopardy” when he made the dumb decision to attack the man with the gun. fricked around, found out.
Like I said before, he was pushed to the point of desperation. He must have feared for his personal safety and made a rash decision. But it wasn’t like he wasn’t harassed and threatened snd had time to think.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 9:53 pm to the808bass
We agree then. Klarvin is still a dumbass though.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 9:57 pm to the808bass
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Case law, no matter how many times you post what you think the law is, has defined immediate knowledge as seeing it for yourself. Now post the law again and say “nu uh.”
Your explanation cannot account for the reason the citizens arrest law in Georgia makes a distinction between something occurring within your presence and something occurring within your immediate knowledge.
My explanation can.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I've at least tired to work through it as opposed to what you've done - which ironically is essentially "nu uh, I'm right".
This post was edited on 10/8/21 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 10/8/21 at 10:06 pm to Roger Klarvin
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If the only perceived alternative is being shot, you pick the option that allows for the possibility of not being shot.
Again, ANYONE in that scenario would rationally conclude those men were seeking to harm you BECAUSE THEY HAD ALREADY TRIED TO DO SO.
Entirely depends on elements of the story which we'll likely never know.
If they're following him around telling him to stop the police are on their way, and trying harder and harder to make him stop, until they eventually block the road and get out with guns drawn, then no. There are other perceived alternatives to being ultimately shot, and that's sit still and wait for the police to arrive.
Arbery had to have known why he was being chased. He's a theif. He has a long history of burglary, or being caught in the progress of burglary. Hell, he was currently on probation for stealing shite. He was on that property at least twice, the first time he was confronted and told trespassers weren't allowed, and the second time he ran the instant he was noticed.
I don't buy it for a millisecond that his only choices were to be shot or fight back. If Travis and his father wanted to shoot him he'd have been shot a lot sooner.
I'm not justifying what the McMichaels did, that's for a jury to decide who will see a lot more evidence then I have.
But the poopooing of Arbery in this case is stunning. I think he's just as much to blame for his death as the McMichaels are.
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Then you're an idiot, and the only "Darwin" winner in this discussion
This isn't Afghanistan or some other shithole. This is an American neighborhood with low crime, in broad daylight.
More people are shot trying to disarm someone else than shot by people attempting to hold you until police arrive while you comply. Again, Arbery knew what he was up too and knew why he was being chased after...
Sure, lets take the worst possible legal scenario for the McMichaels - the McMichaels didn't have the legal authority to hold Arbery until the police arrive and will spend a lot of time in jail for murder. Ok, so they don't have the legal authority to hold you until police arrive. Is it worth your life to prove that in a court of law years later?
Arbery had more options than you think.
This post was edited on 10/8/21 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 10/8/21 at 10:28 pm to Azkiger
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It took a good year+ for police reports to surface about his "jogger" excuse when caught inside people's homes.
You're the type of guy that lawyers will go all out to get off a jury.
You make up your mind after the lawyers' opening statements (which BTW, are not considered as evidence), and, no matter what evidence is presented, you never change your mind.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 10:32 pm to texridder
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You're the type of guy that lawyers will go all out to get off a jury.
You make up your mind after the lawyers' opening statements (which BTW, are not considered as evidence), and, no matter what evidence is presented, you never change your mind.
The entire thrust of that comment was to wait and see what was brought out in court and not base your decisions on what the media decides to report and chooses not to report.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 10:52 pm to Azkiger
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The entire thrust of that comment was to wait and see what was brought out in court and not base your decisions on what the media decides to report and chooses not to report.
That comment was way late in the game, and only after you had made about 20 posts that went in the exact opposite direction.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 11:06 pm to Azkiger
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You outright stated several things that were wrong
Do you want be to go back and list everything you were wrong about or lied about in this thread with direct quotes ? You have made an absolute arse of yourself since your first few posts.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 11:11 pm to texridder
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That comment was way late in the game, and only after you had made about 20 posts that went in the exact opposite direction.
The exact opposite direction would be me saying forget what's brought up in court, lets only listen to the things the media decides to tell us.
I've made over ten thousand posts here, you'll not find one that even remotely suggests that.
This post was edited on 10/8/21 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 10/8/21 at 11:13 pm to mouton
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Do you want be to go back and list everything you were wrong about or lied about in this thread with direct quotes ? You have made an absolute arse of yourself since your first few posts.
You're going to have a list of me saying things like "I think" and "If I recall correctly".
You, like an arse, came out with 100% confidence on many claims and were 100% incorrect. At least learn to hedge your bets dumbass. That's what I did. Most of this crap I haven't reviewed in at least a year.
Posted on 10/8/21 at 11:20 pm to Azkiger
Oh you were mistaken. Lol
Posted on 10/8/21 at 11:24 pm to Azkiger
Why are you still making statements like this?
Is it because you are mistaken or is it because you continue to lie like you have throughout this thread?
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But Arbery being spotted there by Travis, then Travis seeing the same guy two weeks later could be argued as reasonable suspicion if combined with things stolen from that property.
Is it because you are mistaken or is it because you continue to lie like you have throughout this thread?
Posted on 10/8/21 at 11:25 pm to mouton
I'm reiterating my previous thought process.
You do know what the definition of the word "if" is right?
You do know what the definition of the word "if" is right?
Posted on 10/8/21 at 11:32 pm to Azkiger
Why do you keep mentioning things stolen from the property?
Posted on 10/8/21 at 11:33 pm to Azkiger
Why have you repeatedly said things were stolen from the property?
Posted on 10/8/21 at 11:38 pm to mouton
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Why do you keep mentioning things stolen from the property?
Because the source you used to show that the lawyer said the property owner didn't file any police reports about stolen items from that property also mentioned that Travis witnessed Arbery himself on that property the day he was shot.
I had made the claim that the neighbor who dialed 911 informed one of the McMichaels that the guy running down the street had been on the property and that gave the McMichaels immediate knowledge.
Your own source negates the need for immediate knowledge. Travis saw him and recognized him from their encounter with each other on the 11th.
If you were aware of what that source said, why didn't you at least admit that one of the McMichaels saw Arbery on that property that day instead of arguing with me about the neighbor being the one to tell them AND arguing with me about immediate knowledge?
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