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Posted on 10/7/21 at 4:26 pm to Azkiger
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So you agree you were wrong
No you just don’t understand the legal definition of intent or you are being dishonest about it. Say I left home and left my door wide open. A neighbor goes in to see if I am ok and another calls the cops seeing him enter . They can not prove he was intending to steal. If the cops show up and he has a bunch of my stuff in a sack they can prove intent even though nothing was stolen. Same goes with Arbery walking into an open construction site. They can prove his intent was to steal but it was walking around with a sack full of tools or copper wire they can.
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.. You also said I was lying when I said the McMichaels could have gained "immediate knowledge" directly from an eye witness.
Could? You said they were told my a neighbor before they grabbed their guns and went after him.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 10/7/21 at 4:30 pm to L.A.
He should just identify as a Union supporter.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 4:33 pm to the808bass
That's significant. I'll have to look into what exactly constitutes a citizens arrest in Georgia at the time of that shooting.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 4:36 pm to Azkiger
Now are you going to address the lie I called you out on or just ignore it like you did before?
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 10/7/21 at 4:44 pm to mouton
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walking around with a sack full of tools or copper wire they can.
You think catching someone red handed is only intent to steal?
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Could? You said they were told my a neighbor before they grabbed their guns and went after him.
That was my understanding. You spazed out, called me a liar, and never posted anything to the contrary.
Doing a little digging I've come across a neighbor saying that Travis McMichael had confronted Arbery on that very piece of property two weeks prior after he set off a motion sensor.
- Source
Even assuming a neighbor hadn't told the McMichaels about what they saw, it's not outlandish to think that the McMichaels recognized Arbery (at least one of them had confronted him within the last two weeks) as constantly poking around that construction site and gave chase.
Clearly he's not suppose to be there, and he kept showing up. There's your intent.
EDIT: From that article... "He said [the man] reached for his waistband, and Travis got spooked and went down the road." Sounds like a reason to be armed if you're going to confront Arbery.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 4:47 pm
Posted on 10/7/21 at 4:46 pm to Azkiger
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So could they have followed him or not?
They could have followed the guy, sure.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 4:47 pm to doubleb
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They could have followed the guy, sure.
So you're issue is with them trying to stop him while armed? It's not the fact that they got into their pickup and tried to locate him?
Posted on 10/7/21 at 4:50 pm to thermal9221
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Jesus it must kill your pride to be wrong.
Don't call me by my name in the forums. How in the world am I wrong? Someone pulls a gun on you and your instinct is to try to disarm them, which puts you at the business end of THEIR gun. A slip of their finger and you are dead. Again, Jackie Chan moves work in his movie, unless you're proclaiming yourself champ of the disarm move. Go right ahead.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 4:52 pm to Azkiger
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So you're issue is with them trying to stop him while armed? It's not the fact that they got into their pickup and tried to locate him?
They armed themselves and set out to stop the guy. They harassed him, tried to corner him and eventually did. They made the guy fear for his safety causing him to try and take the gun away from the guy blocking his path.
I would have had no problem with them simply hollowing the guy and providing info to the cops.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 5:00 pm to doubleb
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They armed themselves and set out to stop the guy.
Travis McMichael had encountered Arbery on that same construction site two weeks prior to the shooting, after confronting him Arbery reached into his waistband and scared Travis off. A neighbor witnessed it.
Do you think that interaction with Arbery is why they were armed?
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They harassed him, tried to corner him and eventually did.
They looked for him, found him, parked their truck in front of him, and tried to get him to stop by pointing a gun at him.
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They made the guy fear for his safety causing him to try and take the gun away from the guy blocking his path.
He actively ran into them. He was on a road with two large open areas on either side. He could have turned 90 degrees to the left or right, or turned around 180 degrees.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 5:01 pm to Azkiger
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That was my understanding. You spazed out, called me a liar, and never posted anything to the contrary.
I said you were either uninformed or a liar. You never responded and disappeared. Good to see you are admitting to being uninformed about this case.
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Clearly he's not suppose to be there, and he kept showing up. There's your intent.
Intent to steal and commit burglary when nothing was stolen? For all we know he was in the house jerking off or smoking a joint. Repeatedly trespassing on no way proves intent to steal
Posted on 10/7/21 at 5:06 pm to Azkiger
So why he wearing what you call not “running attire?” Because was wearing baggy shorts and tshirt?
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 5:17 pm
Posted on 10/7/21 at 5:11 pm to Azkiger
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e actively ran into them.
They had cut him off multiple times and he turned around going back the opposite direction. They hit him with their vehicle. In the end he running towards where they have him cutoff yet again when McMichael points his gun at him. Arbery tried to run past the vehicle on the other side. McMichael came across the front of the truck trying to cut him off . That’s when they engaged. In what world were they not the aggressor?!?
Posted on 10/7/21 at 5:19 pm to mouton
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I said you were either uninformed or a liar. You never responded and disappeared. Good to see you are admitting to being uninformed about this case.
Prefacing a lengthy statement with "if I recall correctly", then possibly getting one out of a good seven or eight bullet points incorrect isn't being uninformed.
At least you don't have me on record asking "what exactly was stolen" a dozen times like a lemming when the law only requires intent.
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Intent to steal and commit burglary when nothing was stolen?
We don't know that nothing was stolen.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 5:19 pm to Azkiger
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We don't know that nothing was stolen.
We do know nothing was reported stolen.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 5:25 pm to mouton
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So why he wearing what you call not “running attire?” Because was wearing baggy shorts and tshirt?
I've seen lots of joggers in my life, never seen one dressed in high tops and baggy clothes.
That combined with everything else (him being on foot, already being caught and confronted on that property at least once before, etc) says he wasn't a jogger.
Let me guess, you'd just assume that the guy in all black is just out for a jog huh?
Posted on 10/7/21 at 5:28 pm to the808bass
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We do know nothing was reported stolen.
False
Things (guns) were stolen from that neighborhood and Gregory McMichael named Arbery as someone he believed was responsible.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 10/7/21 at 5:35 pm to mouton
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They had cut him off multiple times and he turned around going back the opposite direction. They hit him with their vehicle. In the end he running towards where they have him cutoff yet again when McMichael points his gun at him. Arbery tried to run past the vehicle on the other side. McMichael came across the front of the truck trying to cut him off .
Is there a video of this? Was this what the McMichaels said? What the person following the McMichaels said?
Posted on 10/7/21 at 5:36 pm to Azkiger
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never seen one dressed in high tops
Timberlands?
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