re: Abortion from the Libertarian Perspective: Personhood

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a. Have I committed murder?

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IAW kingbobs telling of the law...likely

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d. If I only flush white zygotes can I be Time Magazine's 'Man of the Year?'

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Also likely

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Best me 2 it

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Is that the message board equivalent of a dutch rudder?

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Over the years, I have witnessed the volume of the abortion debate reach almost unthinkable levels, yet both sides seem to be shouting past one another instead of having anything resembling a conversation. Those carrying the pro-choice banner are baffled that anyone believes they can dictate what a woman does with her body, while those carrying the pro-life banner are baffled that anyone believes it should be legal to murder an innocent child. The problem is that both sides are correct, which tells me that we're having the wrong debate. Instead of fighting over whether a woman has the right to control her body (she does) or whether life begins at conception (it does), I believe a more useful debate revolves around when someone gains (should gain?) legal personhood and to what degree.

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You put a lot of thought into the OP which indicates you've been pondering this subject matter quite seriously. It really is simple, you either believe in a Creator and the miracle of life or you believe we humans are the top of the totem pole, the alpha and omega and answer to no higher authority. If there is no God then man makes the rules and we do as we please or as society accepts. If there is a Creator/God/Great I Am then we humans are subject to a higher authority. It's my belief that the genocide of humans by abortion is an abomination to the Holy Father.

Read some of the studies about young women and yes some are still young girls who've had abortions and many will tell their stories of extreme guilt and remorse, many of these girls/women knew those children, who they terminated were me, you, them. So many women who have had abortions are mentally scarred and have a feeling of unforgiveness of that event. This has nothing to do with society shaming them, a secular society has seared their collective conscience towards abortion, it's these women's heart and soul convicting them of the termination of life.

I know this to be true because I have a sister who has these same feelings and 40 yrs later still feels the pain of a child who might have been.

The dentist said my mom should have had an abortion...

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Libertarianism ......, just a couple of notches right of nihilism and anarchy, think about it!

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Come now, is this necessary?

I hate how you have to be either "pro choice" or "pro life". I'm anti choice, a woman shouldn't be able to choose to kill a baby. However I'm not necessarily pro life either. If you own a steel mill and you don't want your grand daughter to have the kid because it'll look bad you shouldn't be able to kill it, just send her to "boarding school" and adopt out the baby. But id rather my tax dollars pay for planned parenthood than some kids welfare and eventual incarceration

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Libertarianism ......, just a couple of notches right of nihilism and anarchy, think about it! Come now, is this necessary?

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Hey, I knew some hard core Nihilists in grad school:

1. In 100 years no one will care that you existed.
2. In 300 years no one will know that you ever existed.
3. In 1,000 years America will not exist.
4. In 3,000 years no one will know that America ever existed.

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Instead of fighting over whether a woman has the right to control her body (she does)

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Then why can't a woman sell her body for money if this is true?

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woman has the right to control her body

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nobody says thisis wrong but the baby is not part of her body its another separate individual that just so happens to be dependent on a woman for a few months. No different than i have aright fire a gun, but not the right to point it at your head and pull the trigger.