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re: Abortion from a Republican woman's perspective...
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:12 pm to Colonel Flagg
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:12 pm to Colonel Flagg
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I cannot imagine her being raped and impregnated and forced to make a baby with her rapist.
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Almost no one supports that thought. Why would a victim not immediately take medication immediately after to prevent pregnancy?
This situation points out the fallacy in a lot of peoples logic. If all life is sacrosanct, then why is it “ok” to abort the child who is the product of rape?
It gets back to the point that for many, at least part of their view is to force responsibility on the woman - abortion is “ok” if the sex was against her will but not otherwise.
This is not a simply issue with a one-size fits all answer. There are some people who think certain forms of birth control are wrong. On the other end, there are those who are ok with late-term abortions.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:12 pm to madamtiger
People like you are going to destroy this country because you can’t think without emotions.
Take birth control
If you get pregnant take responsibility (the man is responsible financially for 18 years)
I don’t know a single Republican that supports no abortion in cases of rape or incest.
Killing babies is not a solution for a certain segment of the population being degenerate pieces of shite with no personal responsibility. Spare me the poverty angle. There have been plenty of cultures (I.e. Irish) throughout history who came here in poverty and that isn’t an excuse anymore. And it has never been easier to prevent pregnancy and it’s covered by their free healthcare that we pay for. It’s 100% laziness or intentional to get a check in the mailbox.
Take birth control
If you get pregnant take responsibility (the man is responsible financially for 18 years)
I don’t know a single Republican that supports no abortion in cases of rape or incest.
Killing babies is not a solution for a certain segment of the population being degenerate pieces of shite with no personal responsibility. Spare me the poverty angle. There have been plenty of cultures (I.e. Irish) throughout history who came here in poverty and that isn’t an excuse anymore. And it has never been easier to prevent pregnancy and it’s covered by their free healthcare that we pay for. It’s 100% laziness or intentional to get a check in the mailbox.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:12 pm to Ag Zwin
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wrong again
Even if I disagree with SFP, this is a child’s answer.
Only to be followed up by SFP with three laughing emojis.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:15 pm to madamtiger
Also I’d like to add that your post has undertones of “I hope black people abort their babies so they don’t become criminals”
I’m a conservative and I don’t want black people aborting their babies. Most abortions are by black people.
How can conservatives be racist if we want to increase the number of black people being born? Every democrat should think about that. The answer is we aren’t racist and we care about every human life equally.
I’m a conservative and I don’t want black people aborting their babies. Most abortions are by black people.
How can conservatives be racist if we want to increase the number of black people being born? Every democrat should think about that. The answer is we aren’t racist and we care about every human life equally.
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:15 pm to madamtiger
This will always be a heated topic.
I’ll just say I’ve always been struck by the irony that all the souls arguing for or against were themselves spared the consequence of someone deciding they weren’t wanted.
I’ll just say I’ve always been struck by the irony that all the souls arguing for or against were themselves spared the consequence of someone deciding they weren’t wanted.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It may be.
It may not be.
Literally millions upon millions disagree on this.
It doesn't matter that millions upon millions disagree. Millions upon millions used to disagree that slavery was wrong. It was still wrong.
People agreeing or not agreeing on something doesn't make it murder or not murder.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:16 pm to madamtiger
You could have just said that Republican women are pro-choice without typing all that out.
Some of them will vote for Kamala.
Some of them will vote for Kamala.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Just an example of why its generally a good idea to ignore the fringe minority on either side of an argument. A small minority on the left want legal abortions in the 3rd trimester. A small minority on the right think abstinence is the only acceptable form of birth control. Both of those groups should just be ignored by the 80-90% who fall somewhere in between because they’re irrational and you’ll never reason with them.
Some people consider birth control the same as abortion.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:19 pm to madamtiger
The responses to this post is why we will have abortion on demand for every stage of pregnancy in every state in the country. These are legitimate concerns for most women. As pro-lifers we can dismiss them with talking points, or we we can find conservative solutions for them. What we are doing now is not working, and will lead to more republican losses and ultimately more abortions, which is what we are trying to prevent.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:20 pm to madamtiger
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You didn’t bail me out. I gave you a scenario that no one bailed me out of
Quit complaining then boss babe. Sorry not sorry that I dont support murdering unborn children out of convenience.
You are just another contributor to the degeneracy of this country. You also gave a child the life of a broken home at best.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:20 pm to madamtiger
The churches and others should provide financial incentives to have children rather than abortions.
A woman that is raped needs to be a special case and take medication to prevent pregnancy. I understand she should not be made to have a child as a result of violence.
Men that father children should be held responsible. Women should know something about the character of men they sleep with but mistakes do happen. A mistake is not rape. There again we need to put our money where our mouths are to protect human life.
People make mistakes. As Christ said let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
A woman that is raped needs to be a special case and take medication to prevent pregnancy. I understand she should not be made to have a child as a result of violence.
Men that father children should be held responsible. Women should know something about the character of men they sleep with but mistakes do happen. A mistake is not rape. There again we need to put our money where our mouths are to protect human life.
People make mistakes. As Christ said let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:23 pm to Knuckle Checker
You’re an emotional mess. I literally just laid out scenarios like rape and that’s your answer. Nothing new…
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:23 pm to scottydoesntknow
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Quit complaining then boss babe. Sorry not sorry that I dont support murdering unborn children out of convenience. You are just another contributor to the degeneracy of this country. You also gave a child the life of a broken home at best.
You seem like an awesome person.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:23 pm to madamtiger
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Every time I see the youth of BR getting arrested for shooting someone or raping or dealing drugs, I think what are we gong to do with MORE of those?
Not to invalidate all of your points, you made some good ones...However, if you vote for Kamala in this election because of a stance on Abortion, you are voting to import more and more of these type of criminal people from other countries by way of illegal immigration. We got enough of these already.
At least we can try to work on the other societal issues you mention, but we can't keep importing more problems though and expect life here to get better...It will just compound our problems, make our neighborhoods and cities less safe, and being able to get an abortion will be the least of your worries, if this turns into a 3rd world shitehole country with a bad economy...
My point is, women should not just make this into a 1 issue election, and ignore the other consequences that can come with electing radical socialist/ communist DEMs...This is far from a 1 issue election. Our economy is teetering on collapse, and people can't afford to rent or buy homes or food or gas with inflation. People are losing jobs via layoff all around...
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:24 pm to madamtiger
Your request for moral absolution to exterminate innocent human life for a laundry list of lifestyle/ societal reasons is denied.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:24 pm to madamtiger
I agree with your OP but you’re not changing anyone’s opinion here. They just want to circle jerk each other.
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:25 pm to AZHorn
Your answer is good.
And I’m not voting for her, hell no.
I just wanted to open a dialogue within my own party by so far I’m a commie and destroying the country.
And I’m not voting for her, hell no.
I just wanted to open a dialogue within my own party by so far I’m a commie and destroying the country.
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:26 pm to Lsupimp
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Your request for moral absolution to exterminate innocent human life for a laundry list of lifestyle/ societal reasons is denied.
“Don’t bring a discussion to a discussion board!”
Posted on 8/31/24 at 1:26 pm to madamtiger
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#1 Calling women whores and sluts that need their consequences...should have kept their legs closed is usually not equally thrown out about the man that also helped create the pregnancy. BOTH need to be discussed.
Completely wholeheartedly agree.
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#2 The threads have been exhaustive about the unborn's life or lack of. It has been beaten to death. You want to change the hearts and minds of pro-choice people? Start talking about what new can do to support women who have an unplanned pregnancy. What safety nets can we provide for job security or unrealized complications that result in medical bills that she will be stuck with? Or time off for birth? Most of the people that comment on here are men and remember, the men in this situation don't have any of this burden. They just screw and then their problems start if that have to pay for a kid in nine months. And yes....I do believe in equal cost sharing and equal custody. No one should just be able to run away unless mutually agree to put the child up for adoption. I believe the talk needs to be about how to better support legislation to support parents who have an unexpected pregnancy. What that is, I don't know...but what we are doing isn't working.
This involves also holding the man responsible. And we can use the same old lines about court ordered child support. That doesn't always work. My first pregnancy was a unplanned. My fiancé at the time was a real POS. Ands before you say it....yes, bad choice in my early years. We ended up breaking up and he went to work for a family friend to make cash and couldn't be compelled to pay child support. I won't go too deep into this right away, but it happens so much more than you think. Men walk away all the time.
AND men support abortions they want, pay for them and even bring women to the clinics. Yet the narratives are always about WHORES, not the men who screw them who are also whores.
Again…. Agree, and we need to get the death cult out of this entirely and give women assistance in adoption options, not preventing people from offering these women the information and help they need so that they can off their child and feed Planned Parenthood their human sacrifices.
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#3 Society is going to shite. We all agree. Pumping more unwanted kids into an overloaded system with parents having no consequences for neglecting or abusing kids has got to end. I'm a teacher and I can't tell you how many kids over the years I have fed breakfast to each morning because mom doesn't give a crap and sperm donor didn't want to be a dad.They can't play sports or join clubs because they have to go home and watch siblings. I have watched these kids turn into criminals and drug addicts. I just don't know how we keep going when people are throwing kids out like gumballs and we have no way to truly support a better life for them. Every time I see the youth of BR getting arrested for shooting someone or raping or dealing drugs, I think what are we gong to do with MORE of those? And that's coming! You can say that its not our responsibility...and it isn't but ur kids will have to live in a society with them.
This is 100% a direct effect from a moral decay, largely resulting from the attack on the nuclear family, marriage in general, Judeo-Christian morality we all once wholeheartedly agreed upon as an integral foundation for a healthy and happy society, and an embracing of hedonism, and a secular humanist thought process that “if it feels good do it” mentality..
Absolutely NOTHING good has ever come from that, yet what you see before you today is a direct reflection of that taking over society.
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#3 I truly believe in the exceptions. I have a daughter. She is a college athlete with a job that is very physically demanding. She pays all of her own bills outside of her college costs. I cannot imagine her being raped and impregnated and forced to make a baby with her rapist. She would lose her entire life right now. Its not merely an "inconvenience." Its life changing and can screw you up for life. She would lose her college life and definitely her job. For something she didn't deserve. I would love to see this board look at it from my daughter's point of view. Her life does matter. I don't know why that isn't talked about. The brushing off of rape and incest victims on here is a problem.
I don't think I even saw a thread about the 29 year old who impregnated the 12 year old in Lake Charles, who gave birth. That poor child is a child herself.
I cannot fundamentally agree with this, although I may when it comes down to the life of the mother perhaps in very early stages alone, and I really don’t know about that TBH as I think it needs to be unquestionable that the mother would die If brought to term or along the way I can see this being abused to a ridiculous level given that the reason for abortion. This goes back to having viable options as discussed previously through adoption. There are plenty of couples who are still struggling to have children, and adoption is a very unnecessarily arduous process as it is, while out of one side of our mouths we believe the child should die, and the other we go through painstakingly ridiculous obstacle courses to make sure the child is going to what we think is a good home, leaving many to simply go oversees to adopt a child in need without the worry that they may break an arbitrary rule, or no, and have their child taken from them.
“Since abortion was legalized, only 1% of births result in adoption. In addition, 15% of couples have a fertility issue. As a result, abortion has nearly eliminated the number of babies who could be adopted by infertile couples.” 1
This post was edited on 8/31/24 at 1:30 pm
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