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re: Aborting Down syndrome babies
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:25 pm to Brazos
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:25 pm to Brazos
I'm sickened to read what happens in Iceland. Oh, and they think of themselves as so advanced. Horrible!
I completely agree with the comment about people with Downs. At a nearby supermarket, a young man with Downs is responsible for bringing in all of the shopping carts and mopping. He does an excellent job each and every time and lights up when complimented on a job well done.
At a nearby restaurant, a young woman with downs wipes down the tables. Again, she does a great job!
And I have come across many other similar examples. People with Downs perform menial, but necessary, jobs very well and can be contributing members of society. Unlike the able-bodied panhandlers at every corner begging for handouts.
I cannot being to fathom killing each and every Downs baby before they have a chance to take their first breath. Shame!
I completely agree with the comment about people with Downs. At a nearby supermarket, a young man with Downs is responsible for bringing in all of the shopping carts and mopping. He does an excellent job each and every time and lights up when complimented on a job well done.
At a nearby restaurant, a young woman with downs wipes down the tables. Again, she does a great job!
And I have come across many other similar examples. People with Downs perform menial, but necessary, jobs very well and can be contributing members of society. Unlike the able-bodied panhandlers at every corner begging for handouts.
I cannot being to fathom killing each and every Downs baby before they have a chance to take their first breath. Shame!
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Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:25 pm to Brazos
I’ve started to get a jaded view on the topic.
I don’t agree with abortion in the vast majority of cases, and nobody will ever force me to make that decision. Other people feel differently. If there’s an eternal punishment to be paid for doing such a thing, the parents will answer for their decisions. That’s not the government’s worry anyway.
There are already far too many shitty parents out there who live off of the government and don’t want their kids. It’s way cheaper to pay for 1 procedure than it is to pay for a lifetime of welfare benefits. Like it or not, we live in a welfare state and that isn’t likely changing. It probably benefits the kid to not be born to those type of people.
Let them do it within reasonable boundaries.
I don’t agree with abortion in the vast majority of cases, and nobody will ever force me to make that decision. Other people feel differently. If there’s an eternal punishment to be paid for doing such a thing, the parents will answer for their decisions. That’s not the government’s worry anyway.
There are already far too many shitty parents out there who live off of the government and don’t want their kids. It’s way cheaper to pay for 1 procedure than it is to pay for a lifetime of welfare benefits. Like it or not, we live in a welfare state and that isn’t likely changing. It probably benefits the kid to not be born to those type of people.
Let them do it within reasonable boundaries.
This post was edited on 3/18/18 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:26 pm to Plx1776
You keep on saying "babies", that word doesn't mean what you think it means...
It's murder if you kill a baby. Are we going to infringe on a woman's, a citizen's, a taxpayer's quality of life to extend protection to her stomach? What about when females don't even know they're pregnant? That's the logical extension of being pro-life.
Should women be prosecuted for a naturally happening miscarriage?
It's murder if you kill a baby. Are we going to infringe on a woman's, a citizen's, a taxpayer's quality of life to extend protection to her stomach? What about when females don't even know they're pregnant? That's the logical extension of being pro-life.
Should women be prosecuted for a naturally happening miscarriage?
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:27 pm to Brazos
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people with downs are a tax on society and feel that they should be aborted
Only if we can apply the same standard to the welfare dependent drains on our society. They need some very late term aborting.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:27 pm to Brazos
If I knew my unborn child would have downs or any other severely debilitating mental defect, I would abort them and so would my wife. Already had the discussion. It is really a simple decision for me.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:29 pm to upgrayedd
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I struggle with this one. I'm pro life but often wonder if quality of life should come into the equation.
Quality of life for who?? My mother worked with DS kids/adults for many years and I can safely say they were some of the happiest/joyful people I have ever met.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:29 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:This is a stupid pro-abortion argument. Clearly you went to Chalmette High.
Should women be prosecuted for a naturally happening miscarriage?
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:30 pm to upgrayedd
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You’re not the first to use this argument. Mr. Gobbles thought the same thing.
Jesus, dude. There's really no need for that.
Oh, I’m sorry. Did that hit a little too close to home for you? Well I’m sorry. But the fact still stands. The Nazis first step toward the gas chambers was their Action T4 Euthanasia program. And one of the main arguments they made in favor of it was the “burden” disabled people posed to soceity as a whole. And they specifically used the argument of the high cost of their care.
THATS THE SAMW EXACT ARUMENT YOU JSUT MADE TO JUSTIFY ABORTING DISABLED BABIES.
Don’t want to be compared to Nazis? I mean real Nazis? Then don’t act like a Nazi.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:30 pm to Brazos
Abortion is legal in the United States. That isn’t changing. If someone wants to abort any child within the parameters of law it is their right to do such.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:31 pm to Ebbandflow
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Cruel and twisted enough to make a person live life with downs? I don't think you're getting this
I know the father of a beautiful 7 year old girl who’d stomp a mud hole in your arse and walk it dry if you said this about his Downs daughter.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:32 pm to chalmetteowl
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You keep on saying "babies", that word doesn't mean what you think it means...
I stopped reading there.
Just because you dehumanize a baby, by using different terms, in order to desensitize yourself to the idea of killing it.. doesn't change the fact that it is a baby.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:33 pm to Darth_Vader
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I know the father of a beautiful 7 year old girl who’d stomp a mud hole in your arse and walk it dry if you said this about his Downs daughter.
Not if I pulled out my gun and shot him first he wouldn’t. See how this works?
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:34 pm to PsychTiger
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Only if we can apply the same standard to the welfare dependent drains on our society. They need some very late term aborting.
The simpler solution would be to get rid of welfare, forcing people to work. They will be much happier as productive people but they have to be faced with the consequences of poverty instead of being bailed out by the taxpayers.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:40 pm to TigernMS12
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If I knew my unborn child would have downs or any other severely debilitating mental defect, I would abort them and so would my wife. Already had the discussion. It is really a simple decision for me.
Same here. But when you and your wife had that discussion was she pregnant? When women are pregnant hormonal changes kick in and when they are faced with the bad test results they often say "I want my baby." Then after the birth their hormones get normal and they realize "OMG, what am I facing here".
My mom wanted to abort me for financial reasons. They already had one kid and he was a financial strain. My dad talked her out of it. "We'll manage."
My wife has never been pregnant because she has zero maternal instinct. She doesn't like children. She likes puppies.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:42 pm to Darth_Vader
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I know the father of a beautiful 7 year old girl who’d stomp a mud hole in your arse and walk it dry if you said this about his Downs daughter.
Yes. Parents of Special Ed students are extreme advocates. That's why school personnel hate dealing with them.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:44 pm to Jake_LaMotta
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Jake_LaMotta
I honestly pity you. You’re a blind fool who’s too stupid to realize just how ignorant and foolish you are. You think you want to live in a soceity where others have the power to deem your life as better ended simply based on what they precieve as your “worth”. You are truly a blind fool.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:45 pm to Darth_Vader
You're not capable of having a rational discussion. You aren't coming across like a reasonable person.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:48 pm to Darth_Vader
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I honestly pity you. You’re a blind fool who’s too stupid to realize just how ignorant and foolish you are. You think you want to live in a soceity where others have the power to deem your life as better ended simply based on what they precieve as your “worth”. You are truly a blind fool.
Let’s walk through this shall we? You said the guy would stomp me and then walk me dry. Say I say something that he hears and doesn’t like or agree with. He comes at me swinging and even lands a punch or two but I am somehow able to pull out a gun and defend myself and shoot him in the head killing him. How am I in the wrong here? I mean isn’t that why people on here talk about having a gun and being able to defend or protect yourself from idiots like your friend who can’t control their temper? Guns are good right?
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:49 pm to Jake_LaMotta
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Abortion is legal in the United States. That isn’t changing. If someone wants to abort any child within the parameters of law it is their right to do such.
I can't understand why the rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth anti-abortionists aren't standing in front of abortion clinics waving fistfuls of money at women and wanting to adopt the children that are unwanted. If they're so committed to the idea that every conception should progress to a viable person, why aren't they willing to make personal sacrifices?
Why are there 400,000+ children waiting to be adopted in the U.S.? Shouldn't there be a waiting list of adopters instead?
The hypocrisy is overwhelming.
Posted on 3/18/18 at 1:49 pm to conservativewifeymom
quote:that's good, but normal people with futures could use those jobs as well... Not to mention the downward pressure on wages bc special needs people don't care about the money like the rest of us
I completely agree with the comment about people with Downs. At a nearby supermarket, a young man with Downs is responsible for bringing in all of the shopping carts and mopping. He does an excellent job each and every time and lights up when complimented on a job well done.
At a nearby restaurant, a young woman with downs wipes down the tables. Again, she does a great job!
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undocumented immigrants perform menial, but necessary, jobs very well and can be contributing members of society. Unlike the able-bodied panhandlers at every corner begging for handouts.
This post was edited on 3/18/18 at 1:53 pm
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