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re: A reminder not to shoot a burglar if they are running away from your house
Posted on 11/14/25 at 7:04 am to jchamil
Posted on 11/14/25 at 7:04 am to jchamil
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In the meantime, 21-year-old Matthew Grinage and four juveniles have each been charged with breaking and entering for the circumstances that preceded the shooting, McDonald said
Why are they not charged with felony murder?
Because they didn’t kill anyone.
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Posted on 11/14/25 at 7:19 am to Penrod
If someone is unintentionally or accidentally killed in the commission of a crime, whether it is the victim or one of the accomplices, those who committed the crime can be charged with murder because that death came about as the result of the commission of that crime.
For instance - if two guys go in to rob a bank and one of them is shot and killed during the commission of the robbery, the surviving perpetrator can be (and typically is) charged with murder in addition to the armed robbery charges that are filed.
For instance - if two guys go in to rob a bank and one of them is shot and killed during the commission of the robbery, the surviving perpetrator can be (and typically is) charged with murder in addition to the armed robbery charges that are filed.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 7:30 am to Swamp Angel
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For instance - if two guys go in to rob a bank and one of them is shot and killed during the commission of the robbery, the surviving perpetrator can be (and typically is) charged with murder in addition to the armed robbery charges that are filed.
Thanks for the explanation. That is bizarre.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 7:38 am to SallysHuman
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Seven adult sized males vs one homeowner.
This is not some "poor, dumb kid" story.
He should have slayed all their asses.
He shot 9 times and hit one.
fricker needs to spend some time at the range.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 7:39 am to Bunkie7672
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As opposed to misdemeanor murder?
Google felony murder statute
Posted on 11/14/25 at 7:41 am to Penrod
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Thanks for the explanation. That is bizarre.
Been a thing for over 30 years
Posted on 11/14/25 at 7:43 am to udtiger
In Texas they would’ve gotten a statement from the homeowner and he would’ve slept in his bed that night
Posted on 11/14/25 at 7:43 am to udtiger
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He shot 9 times and hit one. fricker needs to spend some time at the range.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 7:46 am to udtiger
quote:Since the 16th century, but I suppose that IS over 30 years.
(The felony murder rule has) been a thing for over 30 years
Posted on 11/14/25 at 8:07 am to stout
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He shouldn't be charged as he hit the kid while they were inside. Firing as they ran off may have F'd him
Wreckless firearm charge. Slap on the wrist probation. Everything else was legal except charge the other kids for breaking and entering and hope everyone involved learned a valuable lesson.
This post was edited on 11/14/25 at 8:08 am
Posted on 11/14/25 at 8:08 am to Penrod
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Because they didn’t kill anyone
"I was just the get away driver."
"Sure I was drag racing but *my* car wasn't the one that struck the SUV and killed that family."
Posted on 11/14/25 at 9:24 am to LemmyLives
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That's on the municipality. If you call 911 for a GSW, and it takes 30 minutes for someone to get to you, that's their problem.
Trying reading it again. They didnt say it took him 30 min to get help. It said they WAITED 30 min before seeking medical assistance
Now go . . . .
Posted on 11/14/25 at 9:26 am to SallysHuman
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Once Mr. Homeowner approached his garage, it would be reasonable for him to be in fear.
Yeah I’m not arguing that. That’s different than just defending property. It does place a burden on his defense to show that he was innocently investigating a noise and not playing cowboy to go shoot thieves.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 9:31 am to stout
Looks like they picked the wrong white boy.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 9:31 am to TFH
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It does place a burden on his defense to show that he was innocently investigating a noise
What could the homeowner be BUT innocently investigating his own property?
And why would the homeowner not be armed to investigate a disturbance at his home?
The thing about a gun is that's it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.
However, this particular homeowner needs range time as has already been noted.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 9:33 am to Houag80
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Only place that is acceptable is in Texas. The Castle doctrine.
And Mississippi.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 9:35 am to stout
He will beat this case. It doesn’t seem clear, at least from what is reported, that the victim was running away. I think any good attorney could argue that he did think the victim was running away
Posted on 11/14/25 at 9:39 am to SallysHuman
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What could the homeowner be BUT innocently investigating his own property?
You should watch a self defense murder trial sometime. I watched every minute of the Rittenhouse trial. They went after him for every move he made, even down to why he had FMJ instead of hollow points.
If you go out to an out building to investigate they will ask why you didn’t just call the police. You’ll be relying on the jury at that point.
I do think everyone should have the right to defend every inch of their property, BUT not everyone thinks that so YOU have to assess the risk you put on yourself for the decisions you make.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 9:44 am to TFH
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You should watch a self defense murder trial sometime. I watched every minute of the Rittenhouse trial. They went after him for every move he made, even down to why he had FMJ instead of hollow points.
I watched it... I watched St Floyd trial against Chauvin too. And yes, the Monday morning quarterbacking is real.
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I do think everyone should have the right to defend every inch of their property, BUT not everyone thinks that so YOU have to assess the risk you put on yourself for the decisions you make.
True. Hopefully this man will have his charges dropped or be acquitted- but you're absolutely right that it depends on who's on the jury.
Posted on 11/14/25 at 9:47 am to LSURussian
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I actually asked a former EBR Parish District Attorney what the law is in Baton Rouge in a case like this.
I swear this is what he told me.
He said, "Shoot them, drag them into your house and then call 911 and report a home invasion."
I kept waiting for him to laugh like it was a joke but he never did...
Everyone says a cop told them to do this. Everyone must know the fricking dumbest cops alive, because the blood trail would be a dead giveaway
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