re: A quote by Kiana Danial that I tend to agree with regarding the state of affairs today

Posted by Pettifogger

I don't really care, Margaret

Member since Feb 2012

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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:44 pm to 4cubbies

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Logically, if the argument for the removal of immigrants here without permission is that they are a drain on our resources— if we know someone who is already here is not a drain on our resources, draining our resources to deport them doesn’t make sense.

Sure it does, for the same reason that any institution spends time and energy enforcing rules to ensure the credibility of the institution.

That said, the reality is that we could have gotten to this compromise at any point if the "other side" had any actual interest in it. If at any point in this saga a real effort by the left proposing to grant amnesty for anyone who can present compelling evidence of full self sufficiency and agreeing readily to deportation for everyone else - that likely would have gotten it done. We wouldn't be here.

If someone proposed that compromise today and we took it, it would never be followed through on because a) the left has no interest in such requirements, as shown by their decades of history on social safety net abuse and b) the right, outside of MAGA, would never force the issue when it's obstructed because they're scared to be called racist.

Posted by 4cubbies

Member since Sep 2008

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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:49 pm to ReauxlTide222

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For how long?

And how do you think a Democrat opening it back up should be handled? If the left does that to us again, what would you be ok with the right doing in response?

I’ve argued since this all started that we need structural changes to our immigration policies. Deportation doesn’t fix the backlogs in immigration courts or change asylum policies.

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Is that something you could get behind? This invariably means that a family fully on the take and illegal would be deported.

yes.

Posted by 4cubbies

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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:52 pm to Pettifogger

I honestly wish the national conversation would shift to proactive approaches to address immigration instead of solely reactive bandaids.

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Posted by Rebel

Graceland

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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:55 pm to 4cubbies

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I honestly wish the national conversation would shift to proactive approaches to address immigration instead of solely reactive bandaids.

We all want that. Problem is the last guy let everyone in with no vetting. What we are seeing now is the reaction to the previous admins inaction.

Posted by UtahCajun

Member since Jul 2021

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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:56 pm to 4cubbies

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I honestly wish the national conversation would shift to proactive approaches to address immigration instead of solely reactive bandaids.

Too much money is made off of immigration as it stands and any talk of change upsets the current flow of the ballot box.

Posted by 4cubbies

Member since Sep 2008

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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:57 pm to UtahCajun

When did you start making sense?

Posted by roadGator

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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:58 pm to 4cubbies

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we make them serve their sentences in the US b

Ok.

Posted by ReauxlTide222

St. Petersburg

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Posted on 1/26/26 at 2:59 pm to 4cubbies

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Deportation doesn’t fix the backlogs in immigration courts or change asylum policies.

I believe done right(meaning in MASSIVE numbers), it establishes that it will never happen again. That it is 100% unequivocal United States policy to aggressively secure the border.

I fully believe a successful mission here is paramount to fixing the issues you speak of. I believe it is BY FAR the most fair and humane thing to do. It affects so, SO many people cubbies. Good people. People doing it the right way.

I believe purposely ushering in these illegals has been a horrific thing to do by the left. Cubbies, it was a monumentally terrible thing to do for hundreds of millions of people. The illegals themselves and anyone halfway affected by it.

And please tell me, all for what? What was the reason they did this?

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yes

Fml that’s all we want.

Posted by Bunkie7672

Member since Mar 2020

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Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:02 pm to Powerman

You’re in the wrong place if you want to avoid hive mind thinking.

Posted by 4cubbies

Member since Sep 2008

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Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:06 pm to ReauxlTide222

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I believe purposely ushering in these illegals

This is a bold claim. How was this accomplished? Who (not “the left”) did the legwork for this?

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And please tell me, all for what? What was the reason they did this

I don’t buy the narrative that millions of people were “ushered” here. Some powerful industries benefit from illegal immigration. Maybe their lobbies had something to do with the previous admin turning a blind eye to the border.

This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 3:07 pm

Posted by ReauxlTide222

St. Petersburg

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Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:14 pm to 4cubbies

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This is a bold claim. How was this accomplished? Who (not “the left”) did the legwork for this?

I don’t think it’s bold at all. I think it’s quite clear that the left enabled it at best and facilitated it at worst.

I don’t know who, exactly.

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I don’t buy the narrative that millions of people were “ushered” here. Some powerful industries benefit from illegal immigration. Maybe their lobbies had something to do with the previous admin turning a blind eye to the border.

Ok there ya go. Idk who did it. Idc who did it. If it was republicans then frick them too.

I know it wasn’t Trump. Which is why I’m happy I voted for him.

Posted by Pettifogger

I don't really care, Margaret

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Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:18 pm to 4cubbies

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I honestly wish the national conversation would shift to proactive approaches to address immigration instead of solely reactive bandaids.

Counterpoint: You address the sucking chest wound before moving on to preemptive steps

Posted by KiwiHead

Auckland, NZ

Member since Jul 2014

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Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:34 pm to Pettifogger

Up until recently I would have kept the right out of this, conservatives are loathe to underwrite authoritarian and use of the state and mob. But after Jan.6 which was a mob primarily made up of populist nationalists that had been embraced by the Republicans and now Trump using government on a retribution tour. I'm not seeing much of a difference.

The usual suspects can come on and try to continue to convince themselves that the FBI started Jan. 6 and also that Trump et al are not engaging in lawfare but they do the same thing they accuse the left of doing and did. Now right and left are different sides of the same coin that is being flipped

Posted by dickkellog

little rock

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Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:37 pm to czechtiger

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And how has that worked out for the citizens of the South?? Kids have to go to private school in most places.

the immediate result was the restoration of law and order which was a good thing. the damage done to our schools in the aftermath was the court ordered bussing over the next 50 years trying achieve a mythical 50/50 racial balance in a segregated city and the increasingly impossible achievement of doing that as whites fled the public schools.

so would your solution been to simply allow arkansas to ignore brown v. board. should we just allow minnesota to ignore the supreme court it was the court during the obama administration that ruled immigration is under the sole jurisdiction of the federal government.

Posted by riccoar

Arkansas

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Posted on 1/26/26 at 3:38 pm to Powerman

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The extreme right definitely does

No, it doesn't. The only time The Right supports violence is when done in self-defense. Both in the instances of Good and Pretti, the outcome was 1000% justified.