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re: 88 in 44: A China Tariff Plan That Actually Works
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:50 pm to GamecockUltimate
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:50 pm to GamecockUltimate
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his plan
sick of pretending this admin has plans.
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:51 pm to crickey
quote:The other countries need our markets more than we need their products. Stay the course, those countries will give in.
But the way this is happening is going to put us in a major recession if not a depression.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:52 pm to jizzle6609
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Comes on here and acts like he understands the overall situation when no one does.
Laughable.
Care to share your assessment of the situation and why this plan wouldn't be an improvement?
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:54 pm to crickey
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With the holiday season fast approaching,
Wait...what? It's April.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:58 pm to fr33manator
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Wait...what? It's April.
Well, it's kinda May.
And boats across the ocean take some time. 2-4 weeks to the west coast. 6 weeks to the Gulf. 6-8 weeks to the East Coast.
That's not including delays for booking, loading, trans-loading etc.
Think about when you'll start seeing people complain on the OT about Halloween or Christmas appearing at Home Depot. It will be here in no time.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:00 pm to crickey
quote:They've had nearly 8 years
Businesses were given no time to react
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:05 pm to crickey
And what kind of pain has the country experienced with the loss of manufacturing already? What kind of pain will the country face with Chinese continuing dominance over American or any other country in day 25 years? It’s not like they produce quality goods on a larger scale
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:07 pm to GamecockUltimate
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They wont like this because its criticizing Donald and his plan...
I like it because it represents the most thoughtful discussion of the tarriff situation I've seen on this board.
I am no economist and certainly have no direct experience with import/export scenarios - but everything I read in that post sounded perfectly logical to me.
Whether it is better than Trump's plan will never be known, but is certainly food for thought during the 'rethink' process.
I am going with the assumption that Trump gave the drastic tariff levels just to give an undeniable jolt to the whole economic system of the world - force everyone to start seriously thinking about how to 'tame the beast' - perhaps it will all gravitate to something akin to the OP layout.
So again - thanks to OP for the well thought-out scenario -
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:07 pm to NC_Tigah
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They've had nearly 8 years
8 years to do what? Build a factory in the USA under the Biden administration?
Try to make plans based on the ever-changing announcements from Trump?
If I were building a factory outside of the USA to move production from China, I would have had to move it three times already since February. Mexico-oops, no. Let's go elsewhere in Asia. OK, scratch that. Oh wait, back to Mexico. For now, fingers crossed!
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:11 pm to crickey
Meh.... stick to ur day job man.
For the 100th time, stop fixating on tariffs.
Tariffs are one aspect to Trumps plan.
In order to get countries attention and brung them to the negotiating table, Trump is using the unrivaled US consumer market as leverage.
Once countries sit down, tariffs, non tariff trade barriers, and geopolitical issues collectively will be dealt with and restructured to the US's benefit.
We voted for Trump to put America first. Let him do that and stop whining and pretending like anybody here on a random message board could do better. If you don't like what Trump's doing, you shouldn't have voted for him. If you don't like what he's doing and didn't vote for him, try harder in '28.
For the 100th time, stop fixating on tariffs.
Tariffs are one aspect to Trumps plan.
In order to get countries attention and brung them to the negotiating table, Trump is using the unrivaled US consumer market as leverage.
Once countries sit down, tariffs, non tariff trade barriers, and geopolitical issues collectively will be dealt with and restructured to the US's benefit.
We voted for Trump to put America first. Let him do that and stop whining and pretending like anybody here on a random message board could do better. If you don't like what Trump's doing, you shouldn't have voted for him. If you don't like what he's doing and didn't vote for him, try harder in '28.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:11 pm to crickey
quote:
Care to share your assessment of the situation and why this plan wouldn't be an improvement?
Nope.
I dont know enough about the overall economies of both countries as well as the 1,000,000's of other factors that go on that affect the numbers therefor I will not opine as to what is best for 325,000,000 people.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:35 pm to Ozarkshillbilly
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China has slowly ripped off American technology and manufacturing. Your suggestion is that we slowly replace them. Not a bad take, however, I think you've missed where we have tried that approach. It hasn't worked.
When did we try this approach?
My suggestion was not exactly slow in historical terms. 24% after 12 months! 48% after 2 years, 88 in 4. These are substantial tariff hikes that give the market the ability to plan and react without flipping the table.
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A lot of people complaining that this will hurt their small business.
It's not a concern about any one business. It's the real possibility that this policy, if left in place, will set off a chain reaction that destroys our economy as a whole.
quote:
China has slowly ripped off American technology and manufacturing.
Sadly, many of the products that need to be re-homed the most in the interest of national security are currently exempt from the 145% tariffs. (technology)
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:41 pm to crickey
Spirit Halloween is gonna have to let go some of that unused retail space
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:52 pm to lsu777
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yea since our ivy league educated government has done such a great job of this the last 50 years
Thanks for making the exact argument to use trumps approach.
Those arguing are just in shock because it takes them out of their same Ole same Ole comfort zone. Most are in the markets heavily and HATE not knowing how to read it. They are so used to controlling the narrative and raping you in market manipulation
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:21 pm to crickey
quote:... or you could sit on your arse for 8yrs, hope for the best, and now be saddled with 145% tariffs.
If I were building a factory outside of the USA to move production from China, I would have had to move it three times already since February
In business there are few more valuable tools than an in depth SWOT analysis. Following the 1st Trump Admin, Covid, then continuation of China tariffs under Biden, businesses without supply chain alternatives are studies in operational Darwinism.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:37 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
... or you could sit on your arse for 8yrs, hope for the best, and now be saddled with 145% tariffs.
In business there are few more valuable tools than an in depth SWOT analysis. Following the 1st Trump Admin, Covid, then continuation of China tariffs under Biden, businesses without supply chain alternatives are studies in operational Darwinism
I wouldn't have argued that any of those events made our current situation a realistic possibility. I guess all the MBAs at Walmart and Target need to go back to school, too.
There are entire categories of goods that simply aren't currently manufactured anywhere else. If you exclusively import umbrellas or basketballs, sure, maybe you can go setup a factory somewhere.
If you have a catalog that represents hundreds to thousands of factories over many thousands of SKUs, made from every material and process out there, what are your options? You move what you can. You're left with a gaping hole in your product offering the size of China.
Posted on 4/29/25 at 3:00 pm to crickey
quote:Brings to mind the Faces lyrics "I wish I knew what I know now when I was younger."
If you have a catalog that represents hundreds to thousands of factories over many thousands of SKUs, made from every material and process out there, what are your options? You move what you can. You're left with a gaping hole in your product offering the size of China.
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