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re: 74.1% of US adults have at least one dose. 63.4% of adults are fully vaccinated.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:06 pm to the808bass
Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:06 pm to the808bass
quote:Tell me where I'm wrong. It is a fact that acuity is radically lower for vaxxed than unvaxxed. That is almost all we should care about.
It’s good to see you back to being a contrarian with a loose grasp of the facts.
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Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:06 pm to Big Scrub TX
Your point is taken but irrelevant to this discussion. It is explicitly addressing how many people reported to be immune versus how many people are observed to be immune.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:07 pm to the808bass
Broken down, the unvaccinated and not previously infected 12+ years old are 48million people or 14.6% of the population.
You do have 35million under 12 that are unvaxxed and have not been infected either. But, their number of cases per 100k is much lower.
If you count the naturally immune to the fully vaxxed, we are about to cross the 75% threshhold.
You do have 35million under 12 that are unvaxxed and have not been infected either. But, their number of cases per 100k is much lower.
If you count the naturally immune to the fully vaxxed, we are about to cross the 75% threshhold.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:11 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
We will never get there if unvaxxed dumbasses don't stop ending up in the hospital.
What percentage of these people are admitted for reasons other than Covid/Covid type symptoms, then test positive for the virus so now a CV19 hospitalization? This is happening, but there's never an indication of how frequent it is.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:11 pm to Tiguar
quote:I understand that, but I don't think it's relevant. Every thread like this one is used essentially in service of an anti-vaxx narrative. Yes, the CDC is a pile of shite. We get it. That doesn't change the stunningly successful nature of the vaccines.
Your point is taken but irrelevant to this discussion. It is explicitly addressing how many people reported to be immune versus how many people are observed to be immune.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:12 pm to David_DJS
quote:Sure. Keep falling back on 1% or whatever of cases that is. Tell yourself anything you can so that you can keep not believing the obvious: the vaccines are stunningly successful and the only path back to normalcy.
What percentage of these people are admitted for reasons other than Covid/Covid type symptoms, then test positive for the virus so now a CV19 hospitalization? This is happening, but there's never an indication of how frequent it is.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:13 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:Damn. We agree on something.
Every thread like this one is used essentially in service of an anti-vaxx narrative. Yes, the CDC is a pile of shite. We get it. That doesn't change the stunningly successful nature of the vaccines.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:13 pm to the808bass
It's stunning to me more people aren't understanding these simple numbers.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:15 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Sure. Keep falling back on 1% or whatever of cases that is. Tell yourself anything you can so that you can keep not believing the obvious: the vaccines are stunningly successful and the only path back to normalcy.
I asked a question. Evidently you can't answer it. No shame in that, or you could have just not responded to my question.
As for the stunningly successful vaccine. I think the real debate is if people that don't really need to be vaccinated should be vaccinated because the vaccine is "stunningly successful". I don't think many argue that people at risk from the virus shouldn't be vaccinated.
This post was edited on 8/31/21 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:15 pm to Big Scrub TX
Shrug. Maybe, I didn’t really take it that way 
Response to covid has been fricked 6 ways to Sunday. It’s more productive at this point to continue to shed light on the governments deficiencies while highlighting the good vaccines have done and can do.
Granted, lately all I’ve done is call people “fricking stupid” so I don’t have a lot of room to talk.
Response to covid has been fricked 6 ways to Sunday. It’s more productive at this point to continue to shed light on the governments deficiencies while highlighting the good vaccines have done and can do.
Granted, lately all I’ve done is call people “fricking stupid” so I don’t have a lot of room to talk.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:21 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
Tell me where I'm wrong.
The part where you blamed the unvaccinated for the propagation of the virus.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:27 pm to David_DJS
quote:I can't answer it, because it's basically a conspiracy theory that you want to be true. Certainly for ICU admits ("for covid") it's essentially true for almost nobody.
I asked a question. Evidently you can't answer it. No shame in that, or you could have just not responded to my question.
quote:Everyone is at risk and dying is not the only negative vector.
As for the stunningly successful vaccine. I think the real debate is if people that don't really need to be vaccinated should be vaccinated because the vaccine is "stunningly successful". I don't think many argue that people at risk from the virus shouldn't be vaccinated.
In any event, I just want shite to go back to normal - and it will not when this stuff keeps happening. The fantasy that the vaccines are actually toxic (more toxic than the actual virus!) is silly and counterproductive.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:28 pm to Tiguar
quote:Really? You think this thread is pro-vax?
Shrug. Maybe, I didn’t really take it that way
quote:I agree. When is the board going to start the latter part?
Response to covid has been fricked 6 ways to Sunday. It’s more productive at this point to continue to shed light on the governments deficiencies while highlighting the good vaccines have done and can do.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:31 pm to the808bass
quote:I didn't do that. I blamed the unvaxxed for suffering higher acuity and thus filling up hospitals.
The part where you blamed the unvaccinated for the propagation of the virus.
Again, the goal is to get this down to a flu-level of impact. We accept tens of thousands of flu deaths per year and have never even considered not having a Super Bowl because of it.
I also blame the unvaxxed for spreading crazy conspiracy theories about the vaccines.
To be clear: I want no part whatsoever in defending the CDC and/or WHO. The messaging has been HORRIFIC.
But that does not give us cover to just pretend that the vaccines aren't working to a stunning degree.
I've said before that the rushed rollout likely has impacted what will ultimately be the actual prescription for the vaccines. We basically already know that taking 2 doses close together is not optimal. I suspect that several years from now, it'll be like: take 3 doses, 9-12 months apart.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:33 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
I suspect that several years from now, it'll be like: take 3 doses, 9-12 months apart.
Well, if that’s what you suspect that’s probably going to be the case.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:34 pm to Froman
quote:
They said this when the vaccine came out
quote:
Your chances of getting it drop dramatically if you are vaccinated
Not true
quote:
people would quit being little bitches and just man up and get this shite
Hard to man up if you're dead?
Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:35 pm to Froman
quote:
It’s widely known that you can be vaccinated and still get covid. They said this when the vaccine came out. Your chances of getting it drop dramatically if you are vaccinated and we’d be in a lot better shape now if people would quit being little bitches and just man up and get this shite.
You may have quickly forgotten that the President of the United States looked into the camera just a month ago and stated quite clearly, “You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.”
Are you lying? Or will you acknowledge that the science behind this is primarily political science? And you clearly prefer pushing the political science over truth.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:35 pm to Big Scrub TX
quote:
. I blamed the unvaxxed for suffering higher acuity and thus filling up hospitals
The rates mirror the society they're in.
ICUs in Israel are 70% vaccinated
In Baton Rouge it's 30%.
So you're blaming someone for nothing.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:36 pm to Willie Stroker
quote:
the President of the United States looked into the camera just a month ago and stated quite clearly, “You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.”
Froman is functionally phuctarded
Posted on 8/31/21 at 3:37 pm to IceTiger
quote:These 2 data points (if accurate) don't even tell us anything.
The rates mirror the society they're in.
ICUs in Israel are 70% vaccinated
In Baton Rouge it's 30%.
So you're blaming someone for nothing.
What we do know is that in areas of high vaccination, acuity is low.
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