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re: 74.1% of US adults have at least one dose. 63.4% of adults are fully vaccinated.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 12:57 pm to Robin Masters
Posted on 8/31/21 at 12:57 pm to Robin Masters
infection is an endpoint, hospitalization is another, death is yet another. Relative risk reductions for vaxxed for all. If you want to dunk on the vaccine as overhyped, go for it, but a lot of this is because R0 went up considerably (and CDC doesn't have anything to do with that unless you want to get all CDC-bioweapon on us 
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Posted on 8/31/21 at 12:59 pm to Tiguar
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Flip side to this is covid is probably more lethal than we’ve been guessing, too.
Unfortunately.
And a lot of people thought they already had Covid because we played up Asymptomatic spread so much. Long story short, if you kinda think you had Covid, you almost certainly didn’t.
Mortality may be 1% or even slightly higher.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 12:59 pm to Tiguar
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Was talking with someone else about this earlier.
Even if you pretend vaccines have a 0.0% efficacy rate or the only people vaccinated are people who also got covid, 120m natural infections would slow down transmission considerably.
The rate of asymptomatic infection has been grossly overestimated.
Flip side to this is covid is probably more lethal than we’ve been guessing, too.
As of July, 2/3 of Indians are covid antibody positive. That's about 800 million cases.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 1:00 pm to Tiguar
I thought his point that we're approaching vax levels that we were supposed to be getting herd protection (yet obviously we're not), thus the CDC are doo-doo-heads.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 1:02 pm to TigerDoc
Maybe, but I took it as cumulative. Half the country fully vaccinated. Assume a conservative 60% efficacy rate for that group, so like 80m immune.
120m assumed infections.
Even with cross over between vaccinating people who’ve had covid, we should have 150m+ immune.
COVID is not spreading as if every other potential host is a dead end. Therefore, the 120m “cases” is likely bullshite.
120m assumed infections.
Even with cross over between vaccinating people who’ve had covid, we should have 150m+ immune.
COVID is not spreading as if every other potential host is a dead end. Therefore, the 120m “cases” is likely bullshite.
This post was edited on 8/31/21 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 8/31/21 at 1:02 pm to TigerDoc
How ya doing, doc?
i must say, I like this vaccine-defender version of you a whole lot better than your muh russia act.
prepare to be attacked for citing basic stats.
i must say, I like this vaccine-defender version of you a whole lot better than your muh russia act.
prepare to be attacked for citing basic stats.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 1:03 pm to TigerDoc
You can't get herd immunity with a leaky vax. Which begs the question, how do you get rid of it?
Posted on 8/31/21 at 1:05 pm to the808bass
I don't think 120 million Americans have had COVID. The rest of the numbers seem correct?
Posted on 8/31/21 at 1:05 pm to TigerDoc
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thus the CDC are doo-doo-heads.
Don't know about doo-doo-heads, but they are liars who have been caught manipulating data to fit a narrative.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 1:06 pm to the808bass
Coming here soon:
LINK - Twitter
LINK - Twitter
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Noga Tarnopolsky @NTarnopolsky #Breaking: Israel no longer considers people who have received 2 Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines "vaccinated." As of September 1, only 3x vaccinated are considered immune.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 1:07 pm to Bham Bammer
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120m Americans have had covid
They haven’t, but the CDC seems to think so.
LINK
This post was edited on 8/31/21 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 8/31/21 at 1:10 pm to the808bass
Where do these numbers come from? I simple Google search shows 62.4% and 53.0%.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 1:11 pm to RiverCityTider
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You can't get herd immunity with a leaky vax. Which begs the question, how do you get rid of it?
You probably don't. It's likely to become an endemic disease to which we'll all be exposed many times. Mucosal immunity (and dealing with epistemic/trust issues of course) is probably the key to cutting down on transmission considerably (as with an intranasal vaccine should one work), but we're probably stuck with it. Endemic diseases don't usually stay as deadly over time (for a silver lining).
Posted on 8/31/21 at 1:12 pm to wt9
You’re probably looking at population. OP is for 18+
Posted on 8/31/21 at 1:14 pm to Froman
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It’s widely known that you can be vaccinated and still get covid. They said this when the vaccine came out. Your chances of getting it drop dramatically if you are vaccinated and we’d be in a lot better shape now if people would quit being little bitches and just man up and get this shite.
This is an example of classic leftist reductionism...get vaccinated and you're immune....get vaccinated and you won't spread the virus and hardly get sick...get the vaccine and you'll be guaranteed to not spend a day in the hospital...get the vaccine and you won't die........and so on...
Posted on 8/31/21 at 1:15 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
It's the peebee, whatcha gonna do? I didn't forsee tha movement going anti-anti-anti-vax, did you?
Posted on 8/31/21 at 1:15 pm to the808bass
They meant after the 73rd and 74th booster regimen
Posted on 8/31/21 at 1:16 pm to Froman
quote:what a sorry azz excuse of a human being
It’s widely known that you can be vaccinated and still get covid. They said this when the vaccine came out. Your chances of getting it drop dramatically if you are vaccinated and we’d be in a lot better shape now if people would quit being little bitches and just man up and get this shite.
Posted on 8/31/21 at 1:18 pm to Froman
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Your chances of getting it drop dramatically if you are vaccinated
Ehh maybe... but not nearly as drastically as if you had covid previously
Posted on 8/31/21 at 1:29 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
The other issue here is what is the mass vaccination program doing to the populations ability to obtain natural immunity? There is a school of thought that a vacinated individual who catches It doesn't develop the robust natural immunity that an unvaxed individual does. Natural immunity is more powerful, per the latest studies.
So, in a world without the vax, the population might reach a herd immunity. But in a world where two thirds of immunity comes from the inferior vax, it might never be reached.
So, in a world without the vax, the population might reach a herd immunity. But in a world where two thirds of immunity comes from the inferior vax, it might never be reached.
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