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re: 73 year old rancher shoots and kills illegal immigrant on his ranch.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:54 am to Robin Masters
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:54 am to Robin Masters
A significant percentage of our “Second Amendment advocates“ do not have the slightest understanding of the Second Amendment.
They cannot seem to grasp the notion that it guarantees the right to own and carry a firearm. It does not exempt the owner from state laws regarding the use of that firearm.
They cannot seem to grasp the notion that it guarantees the right to own and carry a firearm. It does not exempt the owner from state laws regarding the use of that firearm.
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 11:17 am
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:58 am to Tuscaloosa
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I don’t believe this is accurate.
Looks like the relevant statute right here:
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This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 11:00 am
Posted on 2/7/23 at 10:59 am to 93and99
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ou are?
Aren't you against the death penalty for murderers?
I am against the DP. Not sure why I have to be an NPC robot though. I said I was conservative not a statist boot licker who thinks government should have power to execute its citizens. Big government tyranny you seem to crave is hardly conservative.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:02 am to AggieHank86
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They cannot seem to grasp the notion that it guarantees the right to own a firearm. It does not exempt the owner from state laws regarding the use of that firearm.
And I think most people would agree that the 2a ultimately hinges on reasonable and responsible use of that firearm. Like it or not if people start having shoot outs in the street regularly then ultimately we will lose our rights. Thats just reality.
Funny the knock on "thugs" here seems to always be they too quickly turn to guns to settle disputes. Yet they too want to open fire on any perceived threat.
This post was edited on 2/7/23 at 11:04 am
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:09 am to jchamil
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Looks like the relevant statute right here:
LINK
Here’s the portion that put him in jail:
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B. A person may use deadly physical force under subsection A only in the defense of himself or third persons as described in sections 13-405 and 13-406.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:17 am to bayoudude
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My first question is how did the authorities know?
Sounds like the guy did the "right" thing and called the cops.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:18 am to Tuscaloosa
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Here’s the portion that put him in jail:
Unless we're missing some facts, he's going to have a tough time defending this.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:19 am to Indefatigable
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Sounds like the guy did the "right" thing and called the cops.
On a ranch within a mile or two of the border, I've got to think he wouldn't have had a hard time if he abided by the 3 S rule
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:19 am to bayoudude
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My first question is how did the authorities know?
Disturbed earth imaging is one technique.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:25 am to Robin Masters
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Funny the knock on "thugs" here seems to always be they too quickly turn to guns to settle disputes. Yet they too want to open fire on any perceived threat.
Actually, posters here are blowing off steam. I doubt if any are as trigger-happy as they sometimes claim. On the other hand...
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:28 am to shinerfan
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Actually, posters here are blowing off steam. I doubt if any are as trigger-happy as they sometimes claim. On the other hand...
Probably true
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:29 am to concrete_tiger
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We need mountain lions, alligators, coyotes, honey badgers, whatever we can find... on the border.
With my plan that wouldn't work. Poor defenseless animals would get killed or maimed with all the land mines and trip wires I want to set up.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:32 am to armtackledawg
quote:Appears AZ law feels different. This will be thrown out.
Of course, but don't you think killing a man for it is a little extreme unless there is some threat to your life?
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:39 am to ninthward
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Of course, but don't you think killing a man for it is a little extreme unless there is some threat to your life?quote:
Appears AZ law feels different. This will be thrown out.
Proof of my point about the crappy writing in the Daily Wire article. People like this see a COMPLETELY INACCURATE representation of the law, they incorporate that representation into their worldview because it is consistent with what they WANT, and they act upon it.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:41 am to ninthward
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Appears AZ law feels different. This will be thrown out.
Read the thread. AZ law absolutely does not feel different.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:46 am to armtackledawg
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Of course, but don't you think killing a man for it is a little extreme unless there is some threat to your life?
Not considering the scope of illegals coming in.
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But a friend of Kelly's told KOLD he has had issues with people on his property in the past, though he believes Kelly acted in the best faith.
Simply put, the excessive amount of illegal traffic at the border means that an encounter with illegals going bad for the homeowner isn't a matter of "if", it's a matter of "when". As illegals don't carry manuals detailing if they're friendly or not, asking homeowners to give the benefit of doubt to thousands is beyond the pale.
This is the difference between a person trespassing and almost constantly being under a barrage of people trespassing, breaking into property, doing damage, etc.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:47 am to Timeoday
Sounds like the rancher should have kept a few drop guns around. That guy fired at him first.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:51 am to armtackledawg
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don't you think killing a man for it is a little extreme unless there is some threat to your life?
If someone lacks enough boundaries to enter or camp on property that doesn’t belong to him, I take that as the person lacks sufficient boundaries. Meaning, he intends to do me harm. I would feel threatened. It’s the rationale behind the castle doctrine. Which apparently exists in Arizona, even tho its selected idiot aging valley girl if does it
Posted on 2/7/23 at 11:52 am to Hangover Haven
Not Guilty if I'm on that jury.
Posted on 2/7/23 at 12:34 pm to Timeoday
Going to be a lot of "Christians" in this thread applauding this act of violence.
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