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re: $572 Million Decision Against J&J in Opioid Trial - Why we can't have anything nice
Posted on 8/26/19 at 3:55 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 8/26/19 at 3:55 pm to NC_Tigah
The issue was their marketing, promotion, and targeting of doctors who pushed their pills more. Appears to have been a "failure to warn" issue.
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District Judge Thad Balkman said “the state met its burden that the defendants Janssen and Johnson & Johnson’s misleading marketing and promotion of opioids created a nuisance as defined by [the law]
The ruling says that J&J and Janssen repeatedly downplayed the risks of addiction to opioids, training sales representatives to tell doctors the risk of addiction was 2.6% or less if the drugs were prescribed by a doctor. Doctors who prescribed a high amount of opioids were targeted as “key customers.”
J&J said it’s going to appeal the decision. The fine was significantly less than the penalties sought by Oklahoma, sending J&J’s stock up by more than 5% in post-market trading after the verdict was read.
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Posted on 8/26/19 at 3:56 pm to TerryDawg03
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What’s the state doing with the money?
I'm sure it's going to the general fund
Posted on 8/26/19 at 3:56 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
States like Florida and Ohio already have suits in the pipeline.
It is pure greed by the states to get their money. Did it with tobacco (heck, even the Florida Supreme Court rendered an opinion that smoking CAUSES cancer. That is simply not true but there it is, the law of Florida.)
It is pure greed by the states to get their money. Did it with tobacco (heck, even the Florida Supreme Court rendered an opinion that smoking CAUSES cancer. That is simply not true but there it is, the law of Florida.)
Posted on 8/26/19 at 3:59 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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The issue was their marketing, promotion, and targeting of doctors who pushed their pills more. Appears to have been a "failure to warn" issue.
So doctors didn't know pain meds were addictive
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:01 pm to NC_Tigah
IIRC, one man was pretty much deemed to be THE expert on as to whether or not these drugs were highly addictive. Basically, he lied (according to his own admission if I remember correctly). The physicians nationwide started prescribing these drugs based on his testimony (with the added influence of the "pain scale") with a clear conscience. People became addicted, the script ran out, and heroin began to boom again.
The questions I have (if what I wrote is accurate) are why did the guy lie, who convinced him to lie (if it wasn't of his own accord), and how long was big pharma aware of the circumstances while still dumping these drugs ($$$$) into unsuspecting communities?
The questions I have (if what I wrote is accurate) are why did the guy lie, who convinced him to lie (if it wasn't of his own accord), and how long was big pharma aware of the circumstances while still dumping these drugs ($$$$) into unsuspecting communities?
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:02 pm to Strannix
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They go from handing the shite out like candy to begging the dentist for 5 pills after a double root canal. Everything is so fricked up
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:03 pm to MrLarson
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So doctors didn't know pain meds were addictive
Irrelevant when it comes to who has the primary duty to warn of negative side-effects of a product.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:03 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:You believe in fairytales? Because you just repeated one.
and targeting of doctors who pushed their pills more.
In medical terms this is basic. An opioid is an opioid. Period. Every opioid agonist has addictive properties. Everyone. Every doctor knows that. Every one. Period.
This issue was caused, created, and mandated by the government. It was not created by doctors. It was not caused by J&J.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:04 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Irrelevant when it comes to who has the most money
FIFY
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:04 pm to MrLarson
quote:Actively lying about just how addictive it was, and they knew it, is pretty egregious. Do you think the tobacco companies would have been hit as hard as they were had they not file 13nd the research they had on all of the ill effects of tobacco smoke?
The issue was their marketing, promotion, and targeting of doctors who pushed their pills more. Appears to have been a "failure to warn" issue.
So doctors didn't know pain meds were addictive
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:06 pm to NC_Tigah
I am sure this is far from over and the appeal has already been filed.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:06 pm to Mickey Goldmill
quote:No it's not irrelevant. This was not some hidden carcinogenic element, or covered up side effect. Every doctor prescribing J&J opioids knew EXACTLY what the addictive risks were. Every one. No exceptions.
Irrelevant
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:07 pm to BuckyCheese
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Seems the docs overprescribing the shite are the problem. Not the companies manufacturing the drugs for legitimate patients.
I agreed with this and I still place a tremendous amount of blame there - I mean, the docs continued to prescribe it once they knew the effects.....
But back to my point - J&J knew the side effects and highly addictive nature, and intentionally covered it up.
The result is a ton of addicts - many who died.
This post was edited on 8/26/19 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:07 pm to BuckyCheese
The biggest contributor to the opioid addiction???
Medicaid and Medicare.
They should immediately stop reimbursements for prescriptions outside the hospital for opioids or something like that.
What did they do for pain before opioids?
No state Attorney General is going to admit their medicaid system failed to stopped the pain doctors.
Medicaid and Medicare.
They should immediately stop reimbursements for prescriptions outside the hospital for opioids or something like that.
What did they do for pain before opioids?
No state Attorney General is going to admit their medicaid system failed to stopped the pain doctors.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:08 pm to Vood
quote:There are 2000 cases pending.
I am sure this is far from over and the appeal has already been filed.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:10 pm to I B Freeman
Just wondering.... what kills more people, alcohol or opioids? Which substance has more addicts?
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:10 pm to MrLarson
Back in 2010 I was on pain meds for a surgery and took them and got off of them as quickly as I could. What no one told me was the digestive issues they cause afterwards. I was making an appt for a specialist thinking I was dying or somehing. Then a Duke Univ surgeon told me the opioids caused the awful bowel movement related symptoms. The only thing that helped was pro-biotics that I researched and took way before they were in every drug store..
Nowadays it is commonly known but it seems doctors were not informing.
Nowadays it is commonly known but it seems doctors were not informing.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:11 pm to cajunangelle
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Nowadays it is commonly known
Hell, they've got a pill for it now.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:12 pm to Diamondawg
quote:Every opioid agonist is addictive. That is as basic a premise as there is in medicine.
Actively lying about just how addictive it was
"Actively lying about just how addictive it was" is as stupid a premise as saying the gunmaker lied to the gun retailer that a 22 pistol was not dangerous.
Posted on 8/26/19 at 4:12 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:JNJ made a net profit of $15.3 BILLION in 2018.
$572 million
After taxes (if lawsuit awards are deductible as a business expense) the bottom line impact will be in the range of $350 million, +/-.
JNJ stock is UP $3.05/share in after hours trading, or about +2.5%.
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