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re: 40% of young US women say they aren’t having kids because they’re too expensive
Posted on 9/26/24 at 11:20 am to Prodigal Son
Posted on 9/26/24 at 11:20 am to Prodigal Son
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Anyone who doesn’t have, or plan to have, children (but is capable)- has absolutely no right to complain about illegal immigration
I was in complete agreement with you, until this...
I don't see how the two tie into each other?
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Posted on 9/26/24 at 11:23 am to DingLeeBerry
Government pay's "WE" some women to have more.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 11:24 am to DingLeeBerry
I wasted 14 years of my prime with a chick like this. Always looking to the next milestone as the right time. Now I’m pushing 40 and looking for a younger woman to start a family with. Stay away from these women. It’s a cop out for bigger issues.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 11:43 am to Bourre
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Good. The leftist mind virus will breed itself out of existence
Sounds good, but in reality, there’s a lot of those who shouldn’t reproduce, are the ones doing it.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 11:45 am to Gaggle
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Our dirt poor ancestors having 15 kids on the prairie just looking down like wtf
The dirt poor ancestors needed kids for labor. Not the case anymore.
Also wages have not kept up with cost of living. The dollar goes far less, but wages haven’t really accounted for this. On top of everything costing more, spending power has not risen at the same levels.
For instance:
quote:
The cost of a home
1972: $189,500 (current dollars - see actually cost below)
2022: $440,300
The median price of a home in the second quarter of 1972 was just $26,800, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, amounting to roughly $189,500 in current dollars. Since then, home prices have climbed 132%.
The cost of college
1971-72: $10,000 for a public four-year college
$20,700 for a private nonprofit four-year college
2021-22: $24,600 for a public four-year college
$56,100 for a private nonprofit four-year college
The cost of a new car
1972: $26,100
2022: $48,200
For the visual:
Marketplace.org
It’s incredible to see how fricking tone deaf this board is. It’s not that people don’t have money, it’s just not worth as much. Also keep in mind this is 2 years ago. Inflation has continued to increase this gap.
Yes, kids are expensive, but everything is much more expensive than it ever was.
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 11:49 am
Posted on 9/26/24 at 11:49 am to DingLeeBerry
Nearly every social problem that boomers and gen xers think is caused by moral degeneracy is actually rooted in economic practicality.
Millennials didn’t gentrify inner city neighborhoods because they were cool. The only jobs they could find were in cities, the safe city neighborhoods were too expensive, and they couldn’t afford a car so they opted to live in run down neighborhoods and fix them up because THAT IS WHAT THEY COULD AFFORD!
They didn’t kill family style restaurants because they hated them. They couldn’t afford to have a family.
They didn’t cut the chord because they didn’t value cable, they couldn’t afford it.
They didn’t forestall marriage because they don’t value marriage. It’s been shown time and time again that men don’t get married until they are economically viable enough to support a wife and kids. Their student loan debts, increased costs of living, and stagnant wages make reaching that milestone more difficult and time consuming, so average age of first marriage and first child increases.
Cohabitation before marriage became normalized because adults straight up can’t afford rent on their own.
Millennials didn’t gentrify inner city neighborhoods because they were cool. The only jobs they could find were in cities, the safe city neighborhoods were too expensive, and they couldn’t afford a car so they opted to live in run down neighborhoods and fix them up because THAT IS WHAT THEY COULD AFFORD!
They didn’t kill family style restaurants because they hated them. They couldn’t afford to have a family.
They didn’t cut the chord because they didn’t value cable, they couldn’t afford it.
They didn’t forestall marriage because they don’t value marriage. It’s been shown time and time again that men don’t get married until they are economically viable enough to support a wife and kids. Their student loan debts, increased costs of living, and stagnant wages make reaching that milestone more difficult and time consuming, so average age of first marriage and first child increases.
Cohabitation before marriage became normalized because adults straight up can’t afford rent on their own.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 11:51 am to ConcreteThreshold
quote:I don’t think this part was necessary.
It’s incredible to see how fricking tone deaf this board is.
I am well aware and agree with what you posted. Mine was more about the mindset. The prairie was not 1972. And I’d say even with the out of control cost of living versus wage increase since the 70s our lives are much easier, and wealthier than in the 1800s.
Our prairie ancestors might advise use to leave the urban educated inflationary economic system behind as much as we could, go back to the farm, home school our kids, become self sufficient, wear and eat what you grow, live multigenerational
Posted on 9/26/24 at 11:52 am to TrueTiger
Shitty parents are going to be shitty parents whether they're married or not. The same people that game welfare now would game that system, too.
There is something inherently wrong with allowing people the freedom to reproduce without the accountability to care for their offspring. It's not the governments role to subsidize procreation although it should be the governments job to hold people accountable for their choices even if it means letting otherwise able bodied people and their offspring starve.
There is something inherently wrong with allowing people the freedom to reproduce without the accountability to care for their offspring. It's not the governments role to subsidize procreation although it should be the governments job to hold people accountable for their choices even if it means letting otherwise able bodied people and their offspring starve.
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 11:55 am
Posted on 9/26/24 at 11:56 am to Gaggle
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I don’t think this part was necessary.
It’s totally necessary. Look at the first page of the thread. Downplaying, jokes, “misplaced values”, the values came about by what was available to us - just like those on the prairie. They needed bodies on the homestead more than currency. Bodies allowed you to build currency, and harvest natural resources. Not the case anymore.
I do agree that’s why we’re seeing more people going back to homestead life, gardens, and turning away from corporate America- where possible.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 11:58 am to SloaneRanger
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I have a girl in my family like this. Married, both with good jobs. I can’t understand it and they can’t be reasoned with.
Why don't you mind your own business?
Posted on 9/26/24 at 11:58 am to ConcreteThreshold
Never forget: the homesteaders got the land for free.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:00 pm to ConcreteThreshold
quote:not necessarily. I think the large families continued into the depression, in tenements with no farm to work. I think a commandment to be fruitful and multiply had something to do with it. Stop deriving your values from economic perspective is the point
the values came about by what was available to us
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:02 pm to Gaggle
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Stop deriving your values from economic perspective is the point
Yes, I’m going to voluntarily put myself into a terrible situation because 2 kids just isn’t enough.
Tone deaf.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:04 pm to ConcreteThreshold
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The cost of a home 1972: $189,500 (current dollars - see actually cost below) 2022: $440,300
I’ve always wondered if there was a study that dissected this to determine how much additional cost is attributable to government and HOA regulation. Also wonder what you could build a house for these days with things like linoleum floors, formica countertops, and some basic wood paneling.
Average Size of US Homes, Decade by Decade It's nearly tripled since 1950
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1950: 983
1960: 1,289
1970: 1,500
1980: 1,740
1990: 2,080
2000: 2,266
2010: 2,392
2014: 2,657
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:07 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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Meanwhile, stupid, incapable people are having kids because the rest of us are supporting them.
Mike Judge was a prophet.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:07 pm to Tridentds
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this case "too expensive" means I won't be able to buy all the shite I am used to buying for myself. "too expensive" means I am pretty selfish. They aren't fooling anyone.
In the future, our children are going to have to deal with the biggest collection of bitter old harpies in history. Can you imagine That retirement home?
“Bitterbitch Estates”.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:09 pm to ConcreteThreshold
You are a slave to money. Money determines your entire ‘situation’. This is the point. That’s the point of the ever increasing debt and your graph of inflation versus cost of living. It was designed to put you into that mindset and enslave you.
I’m not deaf to your tone. I hear it and I’m actively against it
I’m not deaf to your tone. I hear it and I’m actively against it
This post was edited on 9/26/24 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:11 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:Nah that goes to "I'm pro-choice"
as selfish a statement as you'll ever read.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:14 pm to Deuces
Not really. Speak for yourself.
It sounds like they are having fertility issues and can’t afford the expensive remedies for that.
quote:
And nearly one-third of millennial women who don’t have children in the Credit Karma report point to the cost of fertility treatments, egg freezing, adoption or surrogacy keeping them from family planning as well.
It sounds like they are having fertility issues and can’t afford the expensive remedies for that.
Posted on 9/26/24 at 12:16 pm to DingLeeBerry
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Skutelnik, who posted a viral video last year with a list of 163 reasons why she didn’t want kids
This sounds like someone trying to prove to themselves that they aren't missing out on happiness.
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