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re: 3 experts resign from FDA over drug approval debacle
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:10 am to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:10 am to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
Wouldn’t be the first time and won’t be the last.
Andexxa.
Xigris.
The FDA gets so desperate for a breakthrough they approve drugs with poor evidence and cost a bajillion dollars.
Andexxa.
Xigris.
The FDA gets so desperate for a breakthrough they approve drugs with poor evidence and cost a bajillion dollars.
This post was edited on 6/12/21 at 9:10 am
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:10 am to Sasquatch Smash
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despite a lack of efficacy data.
Trust the science!
They should change this to "Trust the Scientists" because they damn sure aren't following the "Science" in any of this. Then maybe people will develop a healthy skepticism of these corrupt mofos.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:11 am to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
The argument here is over what constitutes "efficacy". The advisory board doesn't want to accept b-amyloid clearance and is insisting on cognitive maintenance or improvements.
This, in my opinion, is unfair to the company because these same scientists have argued for years that b-amyloid deposition is the driver of AD. Now this advisory board is not accepting that removing it is evidence of clinical benefit.
And they might be right, but this same group of "experts" has no data to indicate that plaque clearance will not improve cognitive function. Getting that data would take several more years given that AD is a slowly progressing disease in the vast majority of patients. So demanding that data means a potentially beneficial drug is kept from patients for another 3-4 years...even though it is known to clear plaques...the main driver of the cognitive decline.
I'm also a little puzzled at "this board's" response. This is the same FDA that wouldn't sign-off on hydroxychloroquine in a cocktail thought to prevent or reduce symptoms associated with CV19. It bitched then that the FDA wouldn't approve. Now it bitches that it will approve an AD drug with established efficacy data on plaque clearance.
And why do you have any faith in this advisory board?
They are just scientists...just like the scientists that told you HQX wasn't effective for CV19 and that the Wuhan lab leak was a conspiracy theory.
This, in my opinion, is unfair to the company because these same scientists have argued for years that b-amyloid deposition is the driver of AD. Now this advisory board is not accepting that removing it is evidence of clinical benefit.
And they might be right, but this same group of "experts" has no data to indicate that plaque clearance will not improve cognitive function. Getting that data would take several more years given that AD is a slowly progressing disease in the vast majority of patients. So demanding that data means a potentially beneficial drug is kept from patients for another 3-4 years...even though it is known to clear plaques...the main driver of the cognitive decline.
I'm also a little puzzled at "this board's" response. This is the same FDA that wouldn't sign-off on hydroxychloroquine in a cocktail thought to prevent or reduce symptoms associated with CV19. It bitched then that the FDA wouldn't approve. Now it bitches that it will approve an AD drug with established efficacy data on plaque clearance.
And why do you have any faith in this advisory board?
They are just scientists...just like the scientists that told you HQX wasn't effective for CV19 and that the Wuhan lab leak was a conspiracy theory.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:12 am to tiggerthetooth
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Yeah supposedly the drug has very little data to support its use but comes at a high cost to insurance companies. The worst kind of drug
The worst kind of drug for citizens = the best kind for big pharma.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:00 am to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
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Now, why would the FDA go against their expert reviewers to approve a drug? $$$$$$$$$$$$$
Is this shite starting to sink in yet, people?
See the NAC thread. What Pharma wants, Pharma gets!
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:06 am to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
This post was edited on 6/14/21 at 7:13 am
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:16 am to tiggerthetooth
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Yeah supposedly the drug has very little data to support its use but comes at a high cost to insurance companies. The worst kind of drug.
Actually, it won't be a problem for the insurance companies as they can do what they frequently do w/ an expensive drug: deny payment. The insurance companies can always find a way to avoid paying for a drug is they really want to. As usual, the one who suffers will be the patient or family if they end up doing what's frequently done when a treatment isn't covered by the insurance: pay for it out of pocket.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 12:49 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
Interesting... so I’m on a golf trip last week with a friend who is a “drug rep” and is telling me that he is wait it for approval so he can leave his job and sell this.
We talk at length about it’s efficacy and issues. What it does is destroy the plaque. Further it is bad for longer term AD and is only clinically helpful for early onset. Further he said it is not a cure but rather will probably get you 5-10 more years of better cognition.
Question is , if you got diagnosed with AD would you want that?
We talk at length about it’s efficacy and issues. What it does is destroy the plaque. Further it is bad for longer term AD and is only clinically helpful for early onset. Further he said it is not a cure but rather will probably get you 5-10 more years of better cognition.
Question is , if you got diagnosed with AD would you want that?
Posted on 6/12/21 at 12:55 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
If you are against this drug’s approval you are against science.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 1:08 pm to dafif
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Question is , if you got diagnosed with AD would you want that?
Without proof of actual benefit,
No.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 1:20 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
Haven't Gates and Bezos recently gotten involved with Alzheimer's diagnostics?...............ummmmm.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 2:21 pm to Stingray
That’s interesting... on a side note... someone a heart transplant list was looking into stem cell implants only available in Germany...
My brother had pancreatic cancer and tried everything available but was not able to travel in the sixth months he had left.
Desperate times call for desperate measures
My brother had pancreatic cancer and tried everything available but was not able to travel in the sixth months he had left.
Desperate times call for desperate measures
Posted on 6/12/21 at 2:28 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
So doctors are going to prescribe a medication to alzheimer's patients that doesn't work. This is the literal definition of "snake oil".
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snake oil
n. A worthless preparation fraudulently peddled as a cure for many ills.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 2:56 pm to GumboPot
Serious question how do you actually know this will not provide a benefit?
Posted on 6/12/21 at 3:15 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
Everyone wants a treatment for Alzheimer's. I think this is a case of wishful thinking on FDA's part.
Also it should be illegal for former FDA people to join the boards of big pharma companies. Gottlieb (former FDA commissioner) now sits on the board of a pharma company. Such fricking bullshite.
All I want is an independent scientific review board to approve drugs. Why is this so hard?
Also it should be illegal for former FDA people to join the boards of big pharma companies. Gottlieb (former FDA commissioner) now sits on the board of a pharma company. Such fricking bullshite.
All I want is an independent scientific review board to approve drugs. Why is this so hard?
Posted on 6/12/21 at 3:18 pm to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
quote:Why have the FDA at all if they have no standards?
Nevertheless, the FDA approved the drug on Monday. Though the regulator acknowledged that there are “residual uncertainties regarding [the] clinical benefit” of Aduhelm, the FDA said it decided to lower the requirements for approval after the advisory committee voted.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 4:04 pm to Taxing Authority
Every indication is based on a definition of a clinical benefit. Often, that bar is surprisingly low. By example, weight loss only requires a 10% reduction in body weight for up to a year.
So what has happened here is that FDA changed that definition for AD.
These definitions are semi arbitrary and set by the FDA. Technically, they can change them at any time.
So the real question is why. It may well be warranted. Just because a couple of advisory board members didn't like it doesn't mean something nefarious is at play.
So what has happened here is that FDA changed that definition for AD.
These definitions are semi arbitrary and set by the FDA. Technically, they can change them at any time.
So the real question is why. It may well be warranted. Just because a couple of advisory board members didn't like it doesn't mean something nefarious is at play.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:02 pm to Wildcat1996
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Why have the FDA at all if they have no standards?
quote:Thanks.
These definitions are semi arbitrary and set by the FDA. Technically, they can change them at any time
This post was edited on 6/12/21 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 12:29 am to Wildcat1996
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Just because a couple of advisory board members didn't like it
10 out of 11...with the 11th straddling the fence...is more than a couple.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 8:05 am to BeNotDeceivedGal6_7
Regulatory capture is nothing new. Been around since forever. It's gotten particularly bad in recent years but that's to be expected as Society continues to degrade. The dangerous part is that people still trust these Regulatory Agencies and their stamps of approval but that trust is based on past reputation built on integrity that no longer exists.
This is why I don't trust our food or our medicine. The shite you put in your body. The shite you are built on. Big Agri or Big Pharma. And people think I'm a liberal hippie because I try to only give my kids organic or locally-sourced food and they think I'm a right-wing conspiracy theorist because no one in my family eats any prescription pills of any kind for any reason and I won't get my kids vaccinated.
This is why I don't trust our food or our medicine. The shite you put in your body. The shite you are built on. Big Agri or Big Pharma. And people think I'm a liberal hippie because I try to only give my kids organic or locally-sourced food and they think I'm a right-wing conspiracy theorist because no one in my family eats any prescription pills of any kind for any reason and I won't get my kids vaccinated.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 8:06 am
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