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3 changes that should have 75%+ support behind them

Posted on 9/20/23 at 4:43 am
Posted by burger bearcat
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Posted on 9/20/23 at 4:43 am
1) Term Limits for all federal office. (And states hopefully follow on state level as well)

2) No more PACs. Or at minimum the PAC has to have to be subject to all the same laws (minimum donation, etc) as the canidate does

3) No out of state, and definitely no foreign money allowed for any canidate. Only exception is the President who is the only canidate that runs a national campaign. But still must be American only.

I could think of a bunch more. But if you go and talk to most people, they will agree with these points, yet it stands no chance of being passed in Congress.
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
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Posted on 9/20/23 at 5:00 am to
Take away tax exempt status of all NGOs.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
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Posted on 9/20/23 at 5:12 am to
For some weird reason democrats won't support 2 or 3 at all
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/20/23 at 5:33 am to
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yet it stands no chance of being passed in Congress.


well yea. you are asking people of power, to relinquish power, and limit the time they can stay in power....

same reason we will never get rid of government hand outs. over 50% of people in this country no longer pay a net tax to the federal government. you think those people are ever going to vote people into office that will take away the freebies??
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 9/20/23 at 5:35 am to
quote:

1) Term Limits for all federal office. (And states hopefully follow on state level as well)

2) No more PACs. Or at minimum the PAC has to have to be subject to all the same laws (minimum donation, etc) as the canidate does

3) No out of state, and definitely no foreign money allowed for any canidate. Only exception is the President who is the only canidate that runs a national campaign. But still must be American only.

I could think of a bunch more. But if you go and talk to most people, they will agree with these points, yet it stands no chance of being passed in Congress.




1) All three of these things greatly benefit the slime in Washington.

2) The slime in Washington has complete control as to whether or not any or all of these things gets submitted for vote, and ultimately passed into law.

3) The slime in Washington know that 100% of the voters could be for these things and all they have to do is drop them a few crumbs like free tuition or lower taxes a little and they will forget all about the fact that the people they voted for don't care about what they want.

America can not vote themselves out of this comeplete shitshow we are in politically.

Voters have no power anymore. They gave all of it away to the corrupt Washington swamp a long time ago.

Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 9/20/23 at 5:53 am to
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For some weird reason democrats won't support 2 or 3 at all


Cenk Uyger has advocated for this for years. Look back to him and Tucker at Politicon debates. Now the left loves them some TYT when they're all over any Republican, esp DJT.

But they would fire up the torches if TYT would get behind a moderate or conservative to support the ideas in the OP.
Posted by VoxDawg
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Posted on 9/20/23 at 5:59 am to
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well yea. you are asking people of power, to relinquish power, and limit the time they can stay in power....

We the people do not need their permission to institute Congressional term limits. It could be accomplished via Article V.

The states may convene a Convention of States and introduce Constitutional amendments.

Now, the feasibility of doing it that was is a completely separate discussion, but it is the inaccurate to say that we are dependent on those with power to surrender it.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
55605 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 6:13 am to
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We the people do not need their permission to institute Congressional term limits. It could be accomplished via Article V.

The states may convene a Convention of States and introduce Constitutional amendments.


I think it ends up coming to that as deficit spending continues to snowball.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 9/20/23 at 6:25 am to
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For some weird reason democrats won't support 2 or 3 at all


Neither will most Republicans.
Posted by DerkaDerka
Member since Jul 2016
1196 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 6:33 am to
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Cenk Uyger has advocated for this for years.


He was just on Jordan Peterson podcast. Haven’t stomached listening in just yet. Will though.
Posted by DellTronJon
Member since Feb 2010
1528 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 6:33 am to
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PAC


I think if you are not registered to vote, you should not be able to donate, therefore, businesses, corporations, PACs, etc should not be able to give.
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
21931 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 6:52 am to
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1) Term Limits for all federal office. (And states hopefully follow on state level as well)


I disagree with this proposal. It sounds great but without a check on the bureaucracy, we could have a worse problem. I would rather know the devil that I’m dealing with instead of a more powerful, faceless bureaucracy that’s run by people behind the scenes, with no accountability to voters. You basically increase the power of the swamp instead of diminishing it.

What I would change, is to repeal the 17th Amendment and go back to state legislatures selecting senators. I think that would have a more positive effect than federal term limits
This post was edited on 9/20/23 at 6:55 am
Posted by Bard
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Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:15 am to
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I disagree with this proposal. It sounds great but without a check on the bureaucracy, we could have a worse problem. I would rather know the devil that I’m dealing with instead of a more powerful, faceless bureaucracy that’s run by people behind the scenes, with no accountability to voters. You basically increase the power of the swamp instead of diminishing it.


How about something disallowing federal employee unions?
Posted by Ghost of Bob Horner
Somewhere between Atlanta & Athens
Member since Jul 2023
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Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:17 am to
I like the first one, but it would be too easy to figure out a way around the second two.
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:18 am to
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I think if you are not registered to vote, you should not be able to donate, therefore, businesses, corporations, PACs, etc should not be able to give.


Agreed. The problem is that the law views businesses as entities impacted by laws created by politicians, thus they have 1st Amendment rights to redress their grievances. PACs and SuperPACs are seen as being part of that free speech.

I bring this up only to note how big of an uphill battle it would be. I guarantee liberals would lose their minds to the point where we would see them actually coming out and defending the rights of "billion-dollar corporations" as many of their politicians couldn't get elected without those businesses funding SuperPACs.
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
21931 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:27 am to
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How about something disallowing federal employee unions?


100% would support. You know who else was against public sector unions? FDR, the leftist hero, thought government unions was a bad idea and he was right
Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
4254 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 7:33 am to
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Now, the feasibility of doing it that was is a completely separate discussion, but it is the inaccurate to say that we are dependent on those with power to surrender it.


Actually there is some debate as whether or not Congress could enact legislation that could pass legal muster without goi g the route of a Constitutional Amendment. It has to come from the people.
Posted by Animal
Member since Dec 2017
4341 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:07 am to
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I disagree with this proposal. It sounds great but without a check on the bureaucracy, we could have a worse problem. I would rather know the devil that I’m dealing with instead of a more powerful, faceless bureaucracy that’s run by people behind the scenes, with no accountability to voters. You basically increase the power of the swamp instead of diminishing it.


Is that not what we already have, an unelected faceless bureacracy?
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
86888 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:08 am to
Yea Dems are totally cool with giving up ZuckBux
Posted by Friscodog
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2009
4792 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:19 am to
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We the people do not need their permission to institute Congressional term limits. It could be accomplished via Article V.

The states may convene a Convention of States and introduce Constitutional amendments.


I would love to see this happen, because you would have talking heads on all major networks sky screaming how this is "unconstitutional"
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