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re: 210 illegals have committed murder since 2020. Spare us the crying over two people in MN
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:19 am to Powerman
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:19 am to Powerman
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What's ridiculously stupid is thinking 210 murderers over a 6 year period with 40 to 50 million people is something that should terrify the public
Right. But those aren’t the real numbers. Those are basically Texas and whatever other random state collect illegal-specific crime data. Most states do not collect legal status with regards to criminal rates.
In 2022, there were 66 murders reported by illegals for Texas alone. So the 210 national “number” is nonsense.
The argument isn’t “illegals commit crimes at lower rates.” 1) That’s a kind of retarded statement from the jump. The majority of them are coming from crime-ridden states and are doing so illegally. But we are supposed to accept with a straight face that people who come here illegally from countries with crime problems and are willing to break laws to come here are otherwise incredibly law-abiding. That’s retarded.
2) The second part of the argument isn’t that they commit crimes at a lower rate. If they’re not here’s they commit US crime at a zero rate. If Laken Riley’s murderer was sent back, Laken Riley isn’t murdered. I don’t know how that’s hard to understand.
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Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:22 am to the808bass
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Most states do not collect legal status with regards to criminal rates
AFAIK, Texas is the only state that records immigration status in their crime rates.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:23 am to Powerman
Dumb logic. People who were never supposed to be here… people who were allowed to sneak in under direct violation of our laws… people who were in some cases released from South American prisons… committed murders in our country. You think anyone gives a flying frick how their violent crime rate compares to US citizens?
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:24 am to UtahCajun
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AFAIK, Texas is the only state that records immigration status in their crime rates.
Same.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:26 am to TBoy
210 of, what do y’all say, 20,000,00 or more? How does that rate compare to natural born US citizens?
Dumb question, but I will play along:
Are we including gang murders or excluding them?
Dumb question, but I will play along:
Are we including gang murders or excluding them?
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:27 am to Powerman
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It's also an acceptably low number if it's correct. I'm guessing there is no way it's correct.
It’s completely unacceptable even if it is correct.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:31 am to Powerman
No, it isn't
FYI, the number could be much lower but you can see the direct acceleration of the crimes in correlation with Biden's open borders. Venezuela emptied its jails and sent its criminals here. They aren't the only ones.
They all have to go.
FYI, the number could be much lower but you can see the direct acceleration of the crimes in correlation with Biden's open borders. Venezuela emptied its jails and sent its criminals here. They aren't the only ones.
They all have to go.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:35 am to Vacherie Saint
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Dumb logic. People who were never supposed to be here… people who were allowed to sneak in under direct violation of our laws… people who were in some cases released from South American prisons… committed murders in our country. You think anyone gives a flying frick how their violent crime rate compares to US citizens?
The whole point of OP is pointing out two killings which were committed by LEOs in high stress situations created by the killed are somehow more important to leftists than hundreds of killings that were clearly lawless.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:38 am to the808bass
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that were clearly lawless.
And preventable by simply not allowing millions to enter our country
Posted on 1/29/26 at 8:40 am to Powerman
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What's ridiculously stupid is thinking 210 murderers over a 6 year period with 40 to 50 million people is something that should terrify the public
Several things are ridiculously stupid about it. First, all 210 shouldn’t have happened because they shouldn’t have been here. Comparing ratios is irrelevant. Second, minimizing 210 murders because there are a lot of illegals is dumb. Third, the OP is about LEO killings vs illegal killings. You can’t even get the ratios you are stupidly trying to compare correct. You are dumb.
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 8:42 am
Posted on 1/29/26 at 9:04 am to Powerman
No.
I just don’t find illegals killing citizens acceptable.
You do.
I understand.
I just don’t find illegals killing citizens acceptable.
You do.
I understand.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 9:36 am to roadGator
I don't find anyone murdering anyone acceptable
But it does happen so we have to analyze the numbers
I'm all for securing the border and I'm all for deportations. My protest here is how fricking bad Stout sucks with numbers to even post this stupid shite.
But it does happen so we have to analyze the numbers
I'm all for securing the border and I'm all for deportations. My protest here is how fricking bad Stout sucks with numbers to even post this stupid shite.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 9:52 am to Powerman
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My protest here is how fricking bad Stout sucks with numbers to even post this stupid shite.
You’re the one bad with numbers.
You’ve been instructed that the comparison (which is explicitly laid out in the original post) is between two deaths by law enforcement versus hundreds of deaths from illegals. You continue to want to make a different comparison.
Start your own thread.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 9:56 am to Powerman
Oh. I could have sworn you said acceptable.
My bad.
My bad.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 10:46 am to djsdawg
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Are we including gang murders or excluding them?
Let’s work with the stat we are given.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 3:29 pm to TBoy
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Let’s work with the stat we are given.
It’s very important to discern between gang crime and non gang crimes.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 3:30 pm to Powerman
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don't find anyone murdering anyone acceptable
But you don’t truly care when it’s an innocent American killed.
Posted on 1/29/26 at 3:53 pm to rwestmore7
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I’ve been consistent about what data answers what question.
Someone's supposed to give a shite about your opinion here?
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Linking 1 study since you are lazy and won't do your own research. You can find plenty more out there with the google.
Are you suggesting this study supports your argument, or did you post it just to show everyone you know how to post a link in these threads?
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You can make both arguments, but you don’t get to use one to prove the other.
Your struggle doesn't end with statistics and logic, it appears to also include reading and comprehension. I've not tried to prove one argument with the other. In fact, I've actually posted that they're different arguments.
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If you’re going to make the empirical claim, you need data that actually measures offending rates, not prison headcounts. Mixing the two doesn’t strengthen either, it just muddies them.
How do the researchers you've based your position on determine offending rates?
Posted on 1/29/26 at 4:26 pm to Powerman
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My protest here is how fricking bad Stout sucks with numbers to even post this stupid shite.
210 is a lot. It’s more than 0
Posted on 1/29/26 at 4:31 pm to Powerman
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I don't find anyone murdering anyone acceptable
But it does happen so we have to analyze the numbers
I'm all for securing the border and I'm all for deportations. My protest here is how fricking bad Stout sucks with numbers to even post this stupid shite.
You must have a number then.
I'm not comfortable with anything over 0.
Anything over 211? 1,000 murders and your eyebrows raise?
This post was edited on 1/29/26 at 4:32 pm
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