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re: 200 year old live oak or Dollar General?
Posted on 8/20/25 at 10:43 am to geauxbrown
Posted on 8/20/25 at 10:43 am to geauxbrown
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Please expand.
A live oak produces acorns from the ages of 20 to about 120 years of age. Please tell me about the benefits to wildlife of a 200 year old live oak.
I’ll hang up and listen
He's incapable of this.
He only replies superciliously with a question or platitude.
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Posted on 8/20/25 at 10:47 am to cyarrr
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He’s incapable of this
There are a ton of folks in this thread who know zero about wildlife habitat and how we manage old growth timber for its benefit.
They’re simply posting their thoughts based on ignorance and emotions
Posted on 8/20/25 at 10:47 am to cyarrr
Do any wildlife nest live in oak trees?
Posted on 8/20/25 at 10:49 am to geauxbrown
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There are a ton of folks in this thread who know zero about wildlife habitat and how we manage old growth timber for its benefit.
They’re simply posting their thoughts based on ignorance and emotions
Maybe because nobody thinks of old decorative live oaks as "old growth timber."
Posted on 8/20/25 at 10:51 am to weagle1999
quote:
LINK
Squirrels love Live Oaks. I have seen plenty of raccoons in mine. A large beehive is high up in one of our oldest trees.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 12:09 pm to RFK
I punctuated your old lady last night
Posted on 8/20/25 at 12:10 pm to Neutral Underground
Walmart's are even trashier 
Posted on 8/20/25 at 2:51 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Maybe because no one thinks of live oaks as old growth timber.
That would depend solely on where they’re located and what purpose they serve. Aesthetics aside of course
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:29 pm to PeleofAnalytics
quote:I'm not arguing that the Bible must make an explicit command for me to believe it. I believe the Westminster Confession of Faith's statement that says, "The whole counsel of God, concerning all things necessary for his own glory, man’s salvation, faith, and life, is either expressly set down in Scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from Scripture"
I find your attempt to reduce this to a question of whether the bible explicitly tells you whether the action is sinful or not is retarded. There is no explicit biblical instruction to wish your children a happy birthday. It's just a modern cultural norm. There is no biblical instruction for your parents to, without notice, give away your out your prized collection of baseball cards that they paid for. There is no biblical instruction to buy your children Christmas presents. Just a modern cultural norm. Nothing from God's holy and infallible word requires that anyone abstain from those activities.
I'm fine if you want to persuade me with a necessary application of the Scriptures even if the command is not explicitly stated. I would just like to see that. Your argument about the compassion of Christ is heading in that direction, I just don't think it's a necessary consequence of Scripture to not bulldoze a tree out of compassion. The owner of the bussiness could say that they are showing compassion to the community by offering goods at low costs.
quote:No doubt Jesus has compassion on people. Compassion, by itself, isn't the issue, though. I was really bummed when my old little league ball park was bulldozed and replaced with a strip mall. I don't think they should have left the ballpark there just because I was sad for a moment. Simply not liking something doesn't mean that thing shouldn't happen.
You are still a lame person if you do any of that and if reductively claim that nothing in the bible says you shouldn't do it. Jesus's teachings showed he had great compassion for human emotions. He understood that we have attachments and love for people, experiences and rituals that created happy memories for us Many of which revolved around places like the home you grew up in or a tree. Jesus would not react to people upset by someone buying and bulldozing their family home by saying "nothing sinful about this. It's just some wood put together with nails.".
I fail to see how a tree being cut down and removed is the same sort of compassion category that Jesus was really concerned with during His earthy ministry.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:38 pm to FooManChoo
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I fail to see how a tree being cut down and removed is the same sort of compassion category that Jesus was really concerned with during His earthy ministry.
Sometimes I think ‘If God doesn’t give a shite about what man does to nature then why should I?’
But I can’t not care. And I don’t think I want anything to do with religions who seemingly don’t care about nature.
I don’t think I will ever be ok with diminishing longleaf pine habitat being wiped out just so a church can get some fill dirt. Either they aren’t following God regarding his creation or God just doesn’t care.
Did God really put all that effort into creating Carolina Parakeet only to then shrug his shoulders when man wiped them out?
This post was edited on 8/20/25 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:40 pm to weagle1999
quote:
200 year old live oak or Dollar General?
WTH were they thinking planting an oak tree where a Dollar General will eventually go?
Posted on 8/20/25 at 3:40 pm to Sonny Black
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dolllar general's are trashy
So is shitty grammar.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 5:13 pm to MemphisGuy
quote:Like I mentioned previously, Joshua 17 has an example of at least a portion of a forest being cleared to provide land for the tribe of Joseph to settle down.
Ummm.. please show me in the bible the concept of "clear everything that is on land and develop it." That doesn't seem to square with being a good steward of the land.
We aren't even talking about land clearing when it comes to this discussion. We're talking about cutting down a particular, singular tree.
If you want to show me a biblical argument for why we should not cut down a tree just because it's old (200 years isn't all that old when it comes to an "old" tree, FTW), let me know.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 5:41 pm to weagle1999
The USS Constitution used southern live oak. It allowed for less thickness of the ship due to the hardness of live oak versus other woods and hence a radical design.
The movie Master and Commander was originally about the USS Constitution being chased by an English ship, but given they needed US investors, and the USS Constitution was never beaten....they altered the script.
Live or Southern Oak is a protected species in most areas. Hence when one is cut down and antique shipowners want "original wood" for replacement, they fetch a VERY high price.
The movie Master and Commander was originally about the USS Constitution being chased by an English ship, but given they needed US investors, and the USS Constitution was never beaten....they altered the script.
Live or Southern Oak is a protected species in most areas. Hence when one is cut down and antique shipowners want "original wood" for replacement, they fetch a VERY high price.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 5:42 pm to weagle1999
Would you care as much if it was a field of kudzu?
Posted on 8/20/25 at 8:09 pm to weagle1999
quote:
What say you?
frick all dollar generals. I would prefer even an afro pick statue. A half dead 3 year old satsuma tree is worth saving if a dollar general is to be put in its place.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 8:12 pm to weagle1999
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The conservationist in me says we shouldn’t allow such a natural treasure to be removed for development, especially since there are 2 other Dollar Generals in a 5 mile radius. The value of the tree to humanity and nature exceeds whatever profit the property owner could realize.
I agree, but not enough to pay for the land because ultimately
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The free market part of me says it is the owner’s property to do with as they wish.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 8:20 pm to weagle1999
Leave the tree. There are too many dollar generals as there are.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 8:42 pm to weagle1999
Big live oaks can be moved. “Big Al” was moved down Hwy 90 near New Iberia about 10 years or so ago. I think it cost in the $300k-$400k range back then.
Posted on 8/20/25 at 8:50 pm to SquatchDawg
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Would you care as much if it was a field of kudzu?
Kudzu being invasive, no.
However I would wonder if any wildlife was being displaced.
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