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re: 2 people I know We're fired today / yesterday For speaking their minds.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 12:37 pm to the808bass
Posted on 7/9/20 at 12:37 pm to the808bass
I just Think I missed something.
How did their companies lead them into these statements?
How did their companies lead them into these statements?
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 12:37 pm to chalmetteowl
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there should be nothing political about thinking black lives matter though
And nothing political about saying white lives matter, too.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 12:38 pm to the808bass
Or all lives matter.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 12:51 pm to SammyTiger
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Sure. I ‘m not going to pretend they don’t have any blind spots, but the movement generally argues for better schools, and community programs to help people get out of poverty. Which is a direct relation to crime.
So is having a two-parent home, graduating high school, getting and keeping a job, and not having children out of wedlock but none of that is on their movement.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:31 pm to Revelator
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Who exactly is setting these limits and why are they the final arbiter?
The "arbiters" run the gamut from governmental authoritarians to proprietors of private business.
It's now so pervasive, extensive, it's in every way appearing as a form of mass hysteria.
Or just abject, mass capitulation because all the fight is out of them.
The cravenness and guilt are more entrenched than we could have ever imagined it possible.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:48 pm to SammyTiger
I think you are conflating this. It is not the same. One is on company time subject to following company rules.
It’s stated in the dress code for most organizations that costumes are not proper attire. A Nazi uniform is a costume. Without insignia or identifying marks, it’s just a shirt and pants like you said.
Does it state in company policy that social media commentary made by one outside of company hours may subject to disciplinarian action?
It’s stated in the dress code for most organizations that costumes are not proper attire. A Nazi uniform is a costume. Without insignia or identifying marks, it’s just a shirt and pants like you said.
Does it state in company policy that social media commentary made by one outside of company hours may subject to disciplinarian action?
Posted on 7/9/20 at 1:55 pm to Revelator
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I understand that companies will allow people to promote BLM, an anti-American Marxist organization with zero repercussions, but fire a person for saying all lives matter. Do you understand how wrong that is? This
Different times. Saying All lives matter, you are a racist. If you support Trump you are a racist. If you wave an American flag around, you are again a racist but may also get beat up for it.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 2:02 pm to Loserman
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Kaepernick was justly fired, even if, he was fired for kneeling during the National Anthem.
Very poor example. He was never fired. He opted out of his contract and refused to sign anywhere unless it was for at least 18 million a year. Try again.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 2:03 pm to the808bass
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If half the country runs interference for their political opponents that they work with being damaged for political opinions, then it’s not going to end well.
I think a lot of people have political opinions that they just don’t share at work.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 2:05 pm to SammyTiger
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If you’re just saying All Lives Matter to disagree with someone saying “Black Lives Matter” than you’re just disagreeing with someone saying BLM and the whole ALM feels pretty disingenuous.
No, the whole BLM stance is to put someone in a position to be a racist either way. Its a strawman context to get a person into a corner, or stay silent in what is a racists slogan to start with.
The people getting fired most probably have recourse but the devil is in the details and they should get legal representation. Its really the equivalent of firing a black person if the company supports the KKK and the black person employee condemns it. That's not going to go over well with eeoc, imo.
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 7/9/20 at 2:06 pm to slaphappy
Who are these companies? Boycott/sic union reps on them.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 2:08 pm to coonasswhodat
What if i fire someone for saying BLM?
Posted on 7/9/20 at 2:14 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Your example is more of an outlier being the parent of an officer involved. It beyond sucks for her though. Was her stepson the actual shooter or just one of the other poor bastards on the call?
He was the shooter. She has text messages from the company saying they are standing behind her just before they fired her.
The company then posted on social media that she was removed due to facilitating a hostile work environment.
She has obtained legal counsel.
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 7/9/20 at 2:20 pm to Jaydeaux
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What if i fire someone for saying BLM?
If a company is consistent than this wouldn't be a problem, meaning a policy for no discriminatory type messages at work or at home - or whatever.
BLM is clearly a racists message, ALM clearly isn't a racists message.
The problem is the companies are not consistent or have no policy and are allowing things into the work place that are racists it to start with i.e. BLM.
So, say I have a company.... the company does business with the KKK. A black employee condemns the KKK... the business fires the employee. What do you think the EEOC is going to say about all this?
Basically, these companies are creating hostile work environments based on racial messaging and policies.
This post was edited on 7/9/20 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 7/9/20 at 7:45 pm to Crimson1st
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The nuance is that freedom of speech regulates only government sanctions.
Why do people keep saying this? It's nonsense. (FTR I've practiced law for nearly 20 years and focused on Constitutional law in college, grad and law school.)
First, "freedom of speech" is a broad concept. See, e.g., what I and others say above re: that. It isn't limited to "speech and expression protected by the First Amendment." If the everyday implication of life is that certain thoughts, beliefs and expressions thereof are banned, then we don't have freedom of speech.
Second, private entities and individuals face legal implications all the time for what they allow and disallow re: speech and expression. So, the "state action/inaction/prohibition" concept is much broader than direct state action.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 8:00 pm to NeonSunburst
Less than 10-15% of the people in this country are controlling the entire agenda right now. The rest are all in the corner shaking in fear.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:23 pm to PUB
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Not unless we're talking about someone in a protected class that got fired. A straight white male?
I see two protected classes, race and gender. Possibly 3, depending on their age. With the SC ruling straight might also qualify.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:28 pm to NeonSunburst
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Cancel culture has hit the delta
Tell us where they worked. Was this big enough to hit the news? Depending on the circumstances a backlash against their employers might be warranted and beneficial if it can harm their bottom line. If this is truly as absurd as you're saying , a huge push back might make some take notice that people are not going to accept this and cancel this bullshite out
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:32 pm to Toddy
The one that posted the comment on Facebook was the coahoma county fire chief. The other worked for a electtic company.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 11:33 pm to SammyTiger
If they had been of a specific persuasion, they would have returned as shot the place up.
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